Resident Evil 3 Remake Jill's face model vs Carlos's hair vs Nemesis nose/teeth..which "flaw" is tolerable/nontolerable to you

[xMobilemux]

The difference is that Kratos is a Greek god and can stand naked against a whole ord of enemies and zombie and coldness environments because he has superhuman power , and that kind of outfit were used by Greek people in Greek mitology, conan is a barbarian and barbarian did wear that outfit in they mitology it's part of the whole design

Jill on the other hand is facing zombie in a cold city in 1998 and that outfit simply didn't make sense and it's stupid, they just want to show her body to sell more copy, this is actually disrespectful if you think about it
They even use it in the parchinko slot and the camera even emphasize jill body and let her fall every time Whitout any reason but just to have people spending they're money to see hee body shaking

I don't really give a **** about it actually, but that jill costume was simply stupid, if everyone want to defend it until thr end finding stupid reason to why jill could have weared that clothe, than fine i don't really care, and this conversation is going to long for no reason, putting superhero, greek and barbarian in the middle whitout really a sense

Raccoon City was cold in 1998? Where was that confirmed? I've never heard anything about it being cold then other than the rain.
The only known reference I heard in regards to Raccoon City's weather was in the 2nd movie where it had hit a huge heat wave, which is why they dressed like that.

Anyway, whether it was for sex appeal or not, it's more empowering to Jill's character than demeaning.
Jill taking on a city of the dead and a rocket launcher wielding super monster in a tube top and skirt is Just like Arnie or Stallone gunning down hordes of soldiers with heavy machine guns shirtless, they don't NEED the practical outfits because they are so damn strong and awesome on their own.

Arnie and Stallone - "We wasted armies of soldiers with M60s, knifes, bows and arrows, all while shirtless!"
Lara Croft - "I killed a f**king T Rex, a Dragon and a god with my 2 guns while wearing hot pants!!"
Jill Valentine - "I beat a city of zombies, monsters and a rocket launcher wielding super monster wearing a skirt and tube top!!"

That makes her just as cool as them, less cool when she needs to get more practical.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

You implied as much. Just because you are lost on what people are saying, doesn't mean it's stupid or senseless.

I wasn't calling people stupid like you did to me, but who care... Just don't put world on my mouth thank you

@xMobilemux yeah it dosent make it less cool, and as i say before jill re 3 outfit never bothered me, i like it, but for me simply make no sense and it was just for money grab
i prefer the new costume that s all because it make more sense

 

[Jonipoon]

Not to mention that fashion changes all the time. Men in the 1500s liked to wear codpieces in public which was totally acceptable, however nowadays that would be considered offensive and impractical.

 

[Awebb]

Raccoon City was cold in 1998? Where was that confirmed? I've never heard anything about it being cold then other than the rain.

September 28th was the main date, but I think she left her apartment at least the day before. Racoon City is a midwestern town and some fans think it's in Missouri. The weather in Missouri in September is still warm enough to dress like this. She even has a pullover or vest in case it get's chilly in the evening. I'd still try and get something better suited for the Apocalypse, if it was me in a tube top and a skirt.

 

[Turo602]

I wasn't calling people stupid like you did to me, but who care... Just don't put world on my mouth thank you

Writing off what we're saying as stupid and senseless is essentially the same thing. Don't bullsh*t me. That's what you wrote. But you want to play the "I didn't say those exact words" card, yet you're saying I called you stupid even though I never said those exact words. The fact that you fail to see any logic in those comparisons confirms that you're lost to what's being said. If that's stupid, then hey, you're calling yourself stupid, not me.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

Writing off what we're saying as stupid and senseless is essentially the same thing. Don't bullsh*t me. That's what you wrote. But you want to play the "I didn't say those exact words" card, yet you're saying I called you stupid even though I never said those exact words. The fact that you fail to see any logic in those comparisons confirms that you're lost to what's being said. If that's stupid, then hey, you're calling yourself stupid, not me.

Ahah whatever dude

 

[xMobilemux]

@xMobilemux yeah it dosent make it less cool, and as i say before jill re 3 outfit never bothered me, i like it, but for me simply make no sense and it was just for money grab
i prefer the new costume that s all because it make more sense

Having Arnie and Stallone shirtless made no sense either, still made them so much more awesome.
I doubt we'd remember them if they were covered up in bulky tactical gear.

Let's go back to the Barbarians:

Doesn't make any sense at all, yet they still fight men and monsters left and right all almost naked in a dangerous situation!
But since she's a woman, it must be stupid and demeaning, while Conan is a man so it must be awesome and strong!

 

[Turo602]

Ahah whatever dude

"Ahah, whatever dude" is what we should say to you too. Always so defensive and can sh*t on others so easily, but you can't take it. Hypocrite.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

"Ahah, whatever dude" is what we should say to you too. Always so defensive and can sh*t on others so easily, but you can't take it. Hypocrite.

Calm down dude, nobody is offending you here go take a walk, you alway come out of nowhere during conversation to just put **** around....
and who is we? Are you talking for other people too? Talk for yourself

You say hat i am always on the defensive but look at yourself first

 

[Deleted member 21244]

Having Arnie and Stallone shirtless made no sense either, still made them so much more awesome.
I doubt we'd remember them if they were covered up in bulky tactical gear.

Let's go back to the Barbarians:

Doesn't make any sense at all, yet they still fight men and monsters left and right all almost naked in a dangerous situation!
But since she's a woman, it must be stupid and demeaning, while Conan is a man so it must be awesome and strong!

What all this have to do whit resident evil? I just say that for me jill wearing that outfit is stupid, if Chris was using it would have been stupid too dosent bother me because she is a woman but because it's stupid

 

[Turo602]

Calm down dude, nobody is offending you here go take a walk, you alway come out of nowhere during conversation to just put **** around

You talk that i am always on the defensive but look at yourself first

You're the one who talks sh*t but you're too much of a coward to own up to it and try to make like the victim. This isn't on me. But whatever, dude.

 

[xMobilemux]

What all this have to do whit resident evil? I just say that for me jill wearing that outfit is stupid, if Chris was using it would have been stupid too dosent bother me because she is a woman but because it's stupid

The same principle that applies to Conan and Sonya, applies to Resident Evil.

Sonya and Conan don't need practical gear to "crush their enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women", they just need their strength, skill and ferocity.

Jill taking on the city of the dead and Nemesis in a tube top and mini skirt is like Sonya crushing her enemies in a bikini, they don't NEED the practical gear, only their strength, skill and ferocity, that's what makes them strong and empowering female characters.

It even makes Jill better than the RE Men, because they have to rely on practical gear, the RE ladies didn't, Ada outdid all the practically geared up men in an impractical red dress, Jill outdid the tactically geared up Carlos in a tube top and skirt, it makes them stronger and better than them.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

You're the one who talks sh*t but you're too much of a coward to own up to it and try to make like the victim. This isn't on me. But whatever, dude.

Dude I'm really tired about this, just look at yourself first before calling other coward... I didn't offended anyone i just called jill outfit stupid.... I m not making the victim here, why should I? I just say that jill outfit and people explanation about her wearing that outfit is stupid... If i want to call peoole stupid i will say directly into they're face

It's on you since you write for yourself, also i didn't offend you like you are doing

Did my posts offended you in some way?

 

[Turo602]

I don't really give a **** about it actually, but that jill costume was simply stupid, if everyone want to defend it until thr end finding stupid reason to why jill could have weared that clothe, than fine i don't really care, and this conversation is going to long for no reason, putting superhero, greek and barbarian in the middle whitout really a sense

Speaks for itself, but I called you stupid apparently for pointing out that you're lost on what we're saying, yet you constantly say "what does that have to do with Resident Evil," because you don't get it. But we're the ones finding stupid reasons and making senseless comparisons. But oh, we're not stupid. We just say stupid and nonsensical things. That's so much better.

I don't give a sh*t if you call me stupid, I'm just sick of you always making remarks like these to everyone so casually and never owning up to them but then trying to act like the victim like you did just now. And don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about, because this isn't the first time and I've told you before.

But this is all pointless anyway because everytime you're hit with an explanation, you still avoid the situation with cute responses like "whatever, dude." That's all I have to say regarding this. Do whatever you want, but I told you before, if you don't want to hear sh*t like this, just block me. I'm not saying this just to be a f*cking prick or stir sh*t like you think, I'm just being real with you.

 

[UniqTeas]

This has been the worst section of comments I have ever seen on this site. Yikes.

I am not against dressing sexy or having sexualized content. But I feel that it adds to the story in this instance specifically to have Jill (a combat maven) to have more realistic clothing. And the concept that we are growing as a society to have a better understanding of ethics and the comfort of all who may play the game - that is nothing but a good thing.

 

[Turo602]

This has been the worst section of comments I have ever seen on this site. Yikes.

I am not against dressing sexy or having sexualized content. But I feel that it adds to the story in this instance specifically to have Jill (a combat maven) to have more realistic clothing. And the concept that we are growing as a society to have a better understanding of ethics and the comfort of all who may play the game - that is nothing but a good thing.

I'm all for redesigning characters to more believable standards now that the games have photo realistic detail. Just like how films add detail to superhero costumes that aren't present in the comics because flat colors and textures aren't as appealing to the eye on film than they are on paper. When you're looking at something in real life, you have the real world as context and so things need to look tangible and make sense in our world. Which is why Adam West's Batman costume looks cheap despite being accurate and Ben Affleck's looks incredible.

However, I don't agree with trying to appeal to the comfort of everyone as being a good thing. Obviously, art or commercialized products shouldn't try to be outwardly offensive and insensitive, unless that's the point, but I'll tell you right now, finding a balance that everyone can agree on is an impossible and meaningless task. Someone will always be offended by something that someone else isn't. Most of the time, the most vocal aren't even the target audience and will just complain in the name of equality. If you spend too much time trying to find a comfort level to appease everyone, at what point does the art or work take precedence? Is it even art anymore? Or is it just a thing created for the sake of ticking boxes off and throwing it out into the world? Being mindful of your audience is always a good thing, but you actually have to know your audience too. At the end of the day though, ethics is going to mean different things to different people, which will only confuse an artist who insists on pleasing everybody.

With that said, I don't care that they changed Jill's outfit. It's just a shame that it looks so uninspired. But then again, I don't really know what would have been a good alternative. Claire seems to be the one with the jackets now so you wouldn't want her to look too similar. The battlesuit/wetsuit look wouldn't work either but neither would tactical gear.

 

[UniqTeas]

Turo, I think you make a lot of really good points. But I think we can look at ethical values of a property on a case by case scenario.

If you're shooting a porn, get as raunchy as possible. If you're making a Dead Or Alive game, up that skin content to a "reasonable" level.
But for the sake of something massive like RE that doesn't need to further objectify women - why not grow and become a better property? Sure, you won't appease everyone. That is not possible. But you can mature and become a better version of yourself. The worst that can happen is someone like xMobileMux doesn't buy your game. But maybe - because your stories, gameplay, and art have grown - you'll get a lot of new fans in the process. Fans who don't care that we're not seeing as much cleavage. They are playing this game because it is good. And they do not let ethical decisions of company effect their purchasing habits.

I think you are a good person Turo. And I think AlbertWesker959 is also a good person. I like everyone here no matter how different our opinions are.

 

[Hel]

With that said, I don't care that they changed Jill's outfit. It's just a shame that it looks so uninspired. But then again, I don't really know what would have been a good alternative. Claire seems to be the one with the jackets now so you wouldn't want her to look too similar. The battlesuit/wetsuit look wouldn't work either but neither would tactical gear.

Yeah, the outfit itself isn't really the problem, but that it's so unoriginal, especially since we just had another female character in another RE game that wore basically the same thing with different colours (REmake 2 Claire without the jacket). I thought about how Jill's outfit could be changed to make it stand out more, and Lara Croft's blue Henley shirt from Rise of the Tomb Raider came to mind.

With the neckline, the buttons and the visible undershirt, it looks almost exactly like Jill's top, the only difference being the long sleeves. It also looks form-fitting, but stretchy, making it sexy and practical at the same time, and definitely different from anything Claire is wearing in REmake 2. I mean, Jill already stole Claire's hairstyle (the ponytail) in later games, does she have to steal the outfit too? That, combined with her knack for lock-picking, makes me wonder if she's really a cop and not actually a thief.

 

[Turo602]

Turo, I think you make a lot of really good points. But I think we can look at ethical values of a property on a case by case scenario.

If you're shooting a porn, get as raunchy as possible. If you're making a Dead Or Alive game, up that skin content to a "reasonable" level.
But for the sake of something massive like RE that doesn't need to further objectify women - why not grow and become a better property? Sure, you won't appease everyone. That is not possible. But you can mature and become a better version of yourself. The worst that can happen is someone like xMobileMux doesn't buy your game. But maybe - because your stories, gameplay, and art have grown - you'll get a lot of new fans in the process. Fans who don't care that we're not seeing as much cleavage. They are playing this game because it is good. And they do not let ethical decisions of company effect their purchasing habits.

I think you are a good person Turo. And I think AlbertWesker959 is also a good person. I like everyone here no matter how different our opinions are.

That's just it though, who is anyone to decide which way is right? You may see the original games as having objectified women, but others didn't. Just like how Chris' skin color was once considered racist too. Should they have been better and removed Chris from the game? What's stopping any group of potential players from coming in and thinking that maybe Jill is just way too slim and not a good enough representation of "real" women? So they changed her clothes to avoid objectifying her, but now that wasn't enough, so they need to change her body. At what point does being better end and creativity start? These things are only a problem if you make them one.

As far as I can tell, Capcom isn't concerned with these things when it comes to redesigning these women. Jill's original outfit is still in the game, Leon and Carlos got the same exact treatment, and if there wasn't an ethical reason for changing them, who is to say Jill and Claire were changed because the original designs were too sexist and not just simply because Capcom thought it looked better and more realistic given the tone and their new engine? Why is there suddenly something wrong with their original interpretations that needed fixing rather than it just simply being a creative choice? Is it less justified if it wasn't done to be more ethical? This is why you can't make art around ethics. It convolutes the process which ultimately dilutes creativity.

 

[KennedyKiller]

@Albertwesker959 ...Have whatever opinions you want. That's cool. But you DO keep saying Raccoon City was cold. And...that's just a dumb argument. I live in the midwest. In fact, I live in the midwest in a city about the size of Raccoon. I also live in this area in September. Midewest in September? You're talking like 80 degrees easy. Day AND nighttime are SUPER Warm in September in the midwest. Its one of the hottest months of the year hear. So no...She wasn't cold outside. In fact, it was probably incredibly warm. Plus, to add to that, there's several parts of the city that a literally on fire, only adding to the heat...Just throwing all this out there.