Turo602
The King of Kings
2 hour film, a couple of instances of music that don't last too long, and quick split second editing errors are pretty minor in my book. Stuff that goes by very quickly isn't going to kill a movie.
What are you thinking? (Part 2)
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2 hour film, a couple of instances of music that don't last too long, and quick split second editing errors are pretty minor in my book. Stuff that goes by very quickly isn't going to kill a movie.
JHJ
"Doth Mother Know You Weareth Her Drapes?"
I feel exactly the same, except on 2 points.
1. I liked Jareds interpretation of the Joker, and I'm disappointed there isn't more of him in the film, even if it was only to define his motivations a little more clearly.
2. I think the way DC is setting up their film universe is inconsistent. Yes, I enjoyed MoS and BvS (more than the reviews made out), but the world that they're building feels disjointed to me. Take Wonder Woman in BvS, for example. I like the idea of her inclusion, Gal Gadot feels like perfect casting, and I'm looking forward to her solo movie (it's about damn time it happened), but she felt like she'd been shoehorned into the story. Plus, Superman in the films, at the moment, doesn't feel like Superman. He's too grim. He's supposed to be the big blue boy scout, not Batman 2.0.
Gar Bageman
The Spirit of Rock 'n' Roll
CT: This week, I finished the initial, rough draft of the first volume of a detective novel series I've been planning since last spring! My brain said '250 pages will do' then decided 543 would do better. I agreed.
Venomous Oddball
Also Known as Maddy
Is that related to that one ban post, the one where Airaku was the suspect in shooting you? That was a great post. xD
Turo602
The King of Kings
I thought Jared Leto was terrible. His voice was inconsistent and even completely reverted to his normal voice at the end of a sentence once. His laugh didn't sound natural. It was slow and forced. The cool guy boyfriend role was also way out of character for him. The tattoos and modern gangster look is still stupid for a character like Joker. Oh, and Joker's signature smile being a tattoo on his hand rather than you know, actually having a huge smile is not clever at all. It's just stupid. So much wrong with Joker in this movie. I don't understand how we got the Batman and Superman we have yet Joker and Lex are complete jokes that people would universally hate had they been in horrible Batman & Robin level movies.
As for the film universe, how is it disjointed? Man of Steel is directly connected to Batman v Superman and the entire reason the Suicide Squad exists is because of Superman. I also don't see how Wonder Woman was shoehorned. I mean, she was for obvious reasons but they fit her into the movie very well. She didn't feel out of place or like a last minute addition like Spider-Man in Civil War. She was introduced early on and had her own subplot. It was even a good setup for her solo movie which is further going to flesh out the DCEU by filling us in on her past which was hinted at in the film. Batman's presence in Suicide Squad and The Flash's message to Bruce Wayne which will undoubtedly be elaborated on in a future film probably even Justice League and things like that make this feel like one giant world.
Like I said, it's still rushed because DC is playing catch up to Marvel which is why Wonder Woman was even in BvS to begin with and why we're getting Justice League so soon. But they deserve a lot of credit too because they've been really handling it well. At least in terms of world building because they've definitely made a lot of mistakes.
I don't agree about Superman. I think these movies have done him justice. Everyone always expects Superman to be this cheesy happy-go-lucky character that Christopher Reeve played in the 70s and that's far from who Superman is. Superman isn't a one-dimensional character and that's partly why a large group of the casual audience finds the character lame and unappealing. This isn't a Superman that spouts statistics after saving the day and everyone just blindly cheers him on. This is a Superman in the real world. A world where people can't agree on anything.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that Zack Snyder is telling a story with this Superman. He isn't THE Superman yet. Man of Steel was literally Superman's first day on the job and focused heavily on the question of whether or not the world was ready for Superman. They even foreshadowed the big divide on Superman's presence in BvS and eventual acceptance in Justice League no doubt. He's still a developing character and quite honestly, none of it is new for Superman and I'm glad that more people are finally being exposed to Superman's true character. The rejected, sad, lonely, distant, and dickish kryptonian is nothing new and has been seen numerous times in comics, cartoons, and TV shows. Not saying he isn't mostly an optimistic character, but trust me, the films have been building to that.
JHJ
"Doth Mother Know You Weareth Her Drapes?"
Ok, from what you've said, I can see why Jared might not be your cup of tea, and yeah, I agree, the hand tattoo was a little stupid, but bear in mind that a lot of his filmed scenes weren't included in the theatrical release. From what I've heard, there's at few of those scenes that show more of his sadistic side, especially regarding his relationship with Harley. Hopefully, we'll get an Ultimate Edition of the film like with BvS so we can see. To be fair, though, he was a devisive pick from the get go, so it doesn't surprise me that we disagree on this, and I don't want to cause an argument, so I'll drop it.
I agree with you about Lex, though. Jesse Eisenberg is a good actor, but his Lex feels off.
I think the main reason the DCEU feels disjointed to me (and I'm speaking solely for myself here) is the fact that the films and TV shows exist in seperate universes. Say what you will about the quality of Marvel's TV output, but they all tie in with each other and the movies, and it all feels like a consistent, whole universe. DC, on the other hand, rather than go through the rather clunky process of setting up the Justice League in BvS, could have potentially tied in both TV Flash and Arrow (even Gotham, at a stretch) into the films world, but they haven't. It feels like a misstep on DC's part, to me, and makes the DC universe feel a little emptier than Marvel's. Then again, maybe I'm just being picky. Justice League looks like it'll be fun, and I'll admit, Ezra Miller does look awesome as Flash.
As for Superman, I can see where you're coming from, it just feels like Zack's putting too much angst in the films. Don't get me wrong, a little angst can be good for stories like these, but Snyder over eggs the pudding, BvS being the prime example. Plus, I found myself rooting for Batman throughout the film, which didn't feel right, for some reason. It's a decent film, and I enjoyed it more than I thought I would, considering the reviews it got, but the tone just felt off, like it was a Batman film with a Superman cameo. Ben Affleck was great as Batman, ditto Henry Cavill as Superman, and I want to see them on screen together again, but not with Zack Snyder at the helm.
Turo602
The King of Kings
Don't worry, man. It's cool if you like this Joker, I was just saying why I didn't like it. Not trying to argue or anything. But yeah, I heard a lot of scenes were cut too and that apparently he abuses Harley in one of them but I don't think more will really do him justice. I saw enough and I still think that they made a bunch of bad decisions with this Joker. I don't even think it's Jared Leto's fault either. While I'm not too fond of his performance anyway, I think if they would have at least given him better material and actually made him look like Joker and not some hardcore Joker fan, I could have forgiven his performance.
But the TV shows not being connected to the films doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not the film universe is disjointed or not. Though, I think connecting the TV shows to the movies is a horrible idea. Arrow, Flash, etc. don't really mesh well with the films. You have lower budget heroes with TV actors, week to week storytelling and a bunch of filler cast. As much as I like the TV shows, there is no denying that Grant Gustin won't look ridiculous as hell standing next to Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman. What works for TV doesn't always work for film. It's better they stay separated. Trying to connect them only complicates things and limits the potential of what either side could do if they're going to be getting in each other's way. Marvel's shows had the benefit of being produced after their cinematic universe was established whereas Arrow started before Man of Steel came out. Even then, Marvel seems to be having a tough time connecting their Netflix shows to the movies despite them taking place in the same universe. I swear, if The Defenders aren't in Infinity War, then I'm going to be disappointed.
Yeah, I can sympathize with that. Man of Steel was a very different kind of Superman film. While I appreciate what they're doing with Superman and taking their time with his story, all I want from Man of Steel 2 is the classic Superman. Meaning the whole Clark Kent and Lois Lane thing at the Daily Planet which we got a glimpse of in BvS, Superman as Earth's Champion, Superman making the little saves and not just fighting the bad guy and so on.
As mentioned before, we saw some of that stuff in BvS but then some of that stuff was also destroyed too which really ****es me off. Lex is supposed to be Superman's arch nemesis. Why was he wasted in one movie where he wasn't just the villain to Superman but to Batman and Wonder Woman? Lex should have been a long term character who we get to see do shady sh*t while pretending to have everyone's best interest in mind. There should have been a relationship between Clark and Lex and tension between Superman and Lex but they blew their load too early and now we can kiss that goodbye. Just like Jimmy Olsen who they killed off for no reason as well as the Clark Kent disguise. Zack Snyder just made it really hard to make a really good Superman movie post BvS.
Personally, I think they should have cut BvS into 2 parts. The first movie being darker and focusing on the Batman vs Superman story while tackling Superman's struggle with humanity. The second one being a World's Finest team up that expands the world by introducing Wonder Woman, foreshadowing a larger threat, and Superman winning over Earth's trust. I enjoyed BvS but damn, it could have been done so much better.
JHJ
"Doth Mother Know You Weareth Her Drapes?"
I didn't mean to imply that you were gonna start an argument, I was more worried I'd start one, haha.
I agree that the Jokers look in Suicide Squad isn't to everyone's taste. Personally, I thought it was a bold move, and it fits the vibe of the film. Chances are it's probably gonna be altered over the next few movies, anyway.
I understand where you're coming from regarding Arrow and Flash and the continuity. And yes, the costumes and effects wouldn't be able to match the movies. But I have to disagree with the idea that tying a show in to a film series continuity, or vice versa, limits either sides potential. Marvel's Netflix shows, whilst they're kinda on the periphery of the overall shared universe for the moment, feel like they occupy the same world. As does Agents of SHIELD. Neither of which feel limited (ok, except for the first season of AoS). As for the Defenders in Infinity War, I don't think that's happening. Which kinda makes sense when you consider that all of the Avengers will be involved, plus (probably) Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Spider-man (maybe), and Captain Marvel (if her film comes out before it). That, and the fact that Marvel decided to trim Infinity War down into a single film? I don't think there's gonna be any room for the Defenders.
And yes, BvS would have worked better as a 2 parter. That way, all the storylines would've gotten the attention they needed. Affleck knocked it outta the park, though. Murderous tendencies and the Bat-brand aside, the characterisation was pretty much spot-on, and Jeremy Irons as Alfred provided some much needed chuckles. He had that whole "I'm getting real sick of your s**t, Master Wayne" vibe to his performance.
Everything OK, Jen? What's happened?
Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
@JHJ
Yeah I agree that in a world where everyone is getting into the shared universe trend (Marvel, DC, Legendary, Universal), DC's is the one that looks the least good. Heck, even Legendary understood how to build a shared universe properly. They're not rushing to Kong vs Godzilla like DC/WB did with BvS, they did a Godzilla movie first, and now Kong: Skull Island is gonna come out.
Yeah I agree that in a world where everyone is getting into the shared universe trend (Marvel, DC, Legendary, Universal), DC's is the one that looks the least good. Heck, even Legendary understood how to build a shared universe properly. They're not rushing to Kong vs Godzilla like DC/WB did with BvS, they did a Godzilla movie first, and now Kong: Skull Island is gonna come out.
Jen
Girly Gamer
I'm fine, it's just been one of those days where nothing goes your way. Like one of the things was that I was applying for a job and there were competency-based questions and I spent ages making really good responses, only for the website to crash when I submitted it and I lost everything. I was so angry and upset. So yeah, just one of those days. But thanks so much for asking, I really appreciate that.
Gar Bageman
The Spirit of Rock 'n' Roll
Actually, yes... ish. There is a very similar scene to that in the book, but it's about 100% more graphic. I'm thinking marketing it as a children's book probably isn't going to work... xD
KevinStriker
"Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it?"
That moment when you find out Rush's 2112 album has a special thanks message to Ayn Rand.
I think I vomited in my mouth a little.
I think I vomited in my mouth a little.
Airaku
Stray Jedi
So I just watched "Stranger Things". That show is awesome and I really need to recommend it to everyone here who hasn't seen it yet. A real throw back to the 80's and it's filled with Star Wars, Marvel, and Lord of the Rings references. It has a deep Silent Hill vibe to it as well.
The show starts off with 4 young boys playing D&D. One of the boy's die in the game and he goes missing in real life. A secret government facility exists in the same small town that they live in. A little girl with extraordinary abilities is on the run, and a creature lurks somewhere in the "upside down".
I'm not going to spoil anything but I will say that I'd be damn shocked if anyone here didn't like the show After all, we're Resident Evil fans. We're supposed to like this kind of stuff xD
The narrative is very strong but the special effects are a little weak.
9/10
The show starts off with 4 young boys playing D&D. One of the boy's die in the game and he goes missing in real life. A secret government facility exists in the same small town that they live in. A little girl with extraordinary abilities is on the run, and a creature lurks somewhere in the "upside down".
I'm not going to spoil anything but I will say that I'd be damn shocked if anyone here didn't like the show
After all, we're Resident Evil fans. We're supposed to like this kind of stuff xDThe narrative is very strong but the special effects are a little weak.
9/10
Jen
Girly Gamer
I put my glasses on my head briefly to rub my eyes. When I came to take them off my head, I found that they had got stuck in my hair and the more I tried to untangle them, the more they got stuck.
My mum has gone out for a short while and I have nobody to help me. I can't see.
It's quite a predicament.
My mum has gone out for a short while and I have nobody to help me. I can't see.
It's quite a predicament.
Flipqy42
Nevermore
CT: Billy West reading Trump quotes in his Zap Brannigan voice is the best thing ever.
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Venomous Oddball
Also Known as Maddy
Hm... would you mind coming here and doing the dishes for me? xD