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Legalization of Same Sex Marriage

KennedyKiller

KennedyKiller

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Please, be courteous to others views on this subject please...

Now that the subject is finally being touched upon in the world of the politicians, what do you guys think of this...
Personally, I think it's about time...Frankly, if it wasn't such a religious issue, I think it would have been legalized a long time ago. It's also nearly a social norm nowadays, and though some states allow Civil Unions, it's not quite the same as marriage. What are your guys' opinions on this?
 
I'm going to be completely honest, I'm against this. I'm not very religious and believe they have all rights to marry whoever they want, but it would cause more problems than it would solve.
 
L said:
I'm going to be completely honest, I'm against this. I'm not very religious and believe they have all rights to marry whoever they want, but it would cause more problems than it would solve.
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Would you mind elaborating on what you mean? :)
 
They have every right to get married. Marriage isn't a solely religious custom anymore. You can get a secular wedding just by going down to a courthouse and signing a few papers. I can't speak for other countries, but in the USA I don't care if it offends people. We have something called the first amendment which applies to this in two different ways.

First of all, the right to free speech sets a framework for everything else. People have the right to say what they want and you have the right (or rather responsibility) to listen, and vice versa. The right to listen only goes as far as paying attention to people until you realize that their speech is a load of BS; at which point you should promptly tuning them out. Being offended does not excuse anyone from living in a world where things can be said and practiced that they don't agree with, so long as they don't cause anyone physical or emotional harm. Claiming that someone elses activity should be illegal because it violates your personal faith is nothing short of pitiful and weak-minded.

Secondly, the separation of Church and State. The arguments against gay marriage are entirely religious. The state of North Carolina recently passed an amendment to their state constitution that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Though it doesn't make any religious affiliation (it would be suicide to do so), it's still taking an obviously theistic approach to law and ethics. There is no reason that gay marriage should be prohibited anywhere in the United States. It's a simple right, a trivial issue, and we shouldn't have to waste our time debating over whether we should all have equal rights in the year 2012. It's barbaric.

<Rant over>
 
Meg said:
Would you mind elaborating on what you mean? :)
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Overly religious people would start riots, claiming same-sex marriage is defying the law of god. People could harass them because of their sexuality easier. Various other reasons that I can't exactly put into words. Like I said, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
 
L said:
Overly religious people would start riots, claiming same-sex marriage is defying the law of god. People could harass them because of their sexuality easier. Various other reasons that I can't exactly put into words. Like I said, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
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With that mindset, movements like the civil rights movement in the 50's would never have taken place. Gay people, like anyone else, have a right to their convictions. If there are such dangers, it isn't right to judge lawmaking on that basis. This shouldn't be an issue of how people might react, it's a simple question of principle. If some gays don't want to make their orientation public for fear of such a thing, that's their decision and their decision alone to make.
 
L said:
Overly religious people would start riots, claiming same-sex marriage is defying the law of god. People could harass them because of their sexuality easier. Various other reasons that I can't exactly put into words. Like I said, I have no problem with it whatsoever.
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Cheez beat me to it, but I'll say it anyway. That's like saying the civil rights movement shouldn't of happened, or that women shouldn't of gained the right to vote, or people should still be slaves. There are always going to be people who dislike another group of people and don't think they should have their rights. There will always be people who cause riots and fight over people gaining their rights. Saying people shouldn't have equal rights because of that is incredibly narrow-minded.
 
After seeing a movie in which you can get married in an art museum without a preacher/priest aka bigot/hypocrite marrying you I'm gonna say yes now. I want to get married in an art museum or some place like that if I marry a woman, if not I still want to get married in an art museum damnit! I had no idea a friend could marry you, that's awesome.

The only thing that confuses me is the fact that a lot of gay people want to get married in a church by a priest/pastor/preacher who doesn't agree with their "lifestyle". I'd never wanna be judged like that, especially on my wedding day. It's stressful enough planning for a wedding only to get married in a place full of bigoted, pious, judgemental A-holes who don't like you. Other than that of course I agree with gay marriage, it's just frustrating there's so many religious bigots out there trying to tell you you're not right for who you are.


I can't wait until those same people look back 40 years from now and essentially look like this.

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^idiots.
 
Storyofmylife said:
preacher/priest aka bigot/hypocrite
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Hey. :( Not all priests are bigots and hypocrites. The father at my church was amazing. He preached love, acceptance, tolerance, and respect. He never once said anything about gay marriage or abortion or anything like that. He just talk about being non-judgemental and treating everyone equally. That man was a feminist. And you all know how I feel about feminists. ;)

He also had a sense of humor. :D

All I'm saying, is that while I agree that many "holy" people are ignorant idiots there are some who aren't.
 
Mr Sunshine said:
I think that homosexuals have suffered enough already. I don't want them to be tortured even more by marriage. :p
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LOL we have the right to be as miserable as straight couples :)




I'm currently 32, and live in the UK with my GF, being a lesbian was for me at least (I can't speak for her) a choice, I experimented, found I liked women more than men, and eventually it became a case of me finding Sarah, and falling in love with her. We're not married but it is certainly something I would consider as I lov,e her and she loves me, our religion and the views of our religion when it comes to homosexuality has no bearing on our feelings for each other (we were both raised as Christians).

I am of the opinion that yes, our Religion gets alot right, but also a lot of things wrong (and sure people of other religions may say the same if they are being honest) but we have to look at the fact that these religious books were written hundreds of years ago when things were very different than they are today. Unfortunately while society has moved on (to some extent) in it's thinking towards such things as homosexuality, Lesbianism, etc we are using out dated religious texts which, the more extreme objectors, are taking literally to fuel their faux moral outrage.
 
Meg said:
Hey. :( Not all priests are bigots and hypocrites. The father at my church was amazing. He preached love, acceptance, tolerance, and respect. He never once said anything about gay marriage or abortion or anything like that. He just talk about being non-judgemental and treating everyone equally. That man was a feminist. And you all know how I feel about feminists. ;)

He also had a sense of humor. :D

All I'm saying, is that while I agree that many "holy" people are ignorant idiots there are some who aren't.
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Oh I agree with you completely, I'm just getting tired of the ones who aren't accepting and bigoted. Don't forget I'm Christian too. ;) I guess I got a bit carried away in the last post. The town I live in sadly is very very small minded so pretty much most if not all Churches where I live have this mindset. When I lived in a bigger city though they preached love and acceptance. I guess living here is kind of turning me off to Christianity as a whole. I need to get out of this town haha
 
Jgraeme1979 said:
I'm currently 32, and live in the UK with my GF, being a lesbian was for me at least (I can't speak for her) a choice, I experimented, found I liked women more than men, and eventually it became a case of me finding Sarah, and falling in love with her. We're not married but it is certainly something I would consider as I lov,e her and she loves me, our religion and the views of our religion when it comes to homosexuality has no bearing on our feelings for each other (we were both raised as Christians).

I am of the opinion that yes, our Religion gets alot right, but also a lot of things wrong (and sure people of other religions may say the same if they are being honest) but we have to look at the fact that these religious books were written hundreds of years ago when things were very different than they are today. Unfortunately while society has moved on (to some extent) in it's thinking towards such things as homosexuality, Lesbianism, etc we are using out dated religious texts which, the more extreme objectors, are taking literally to fuel their faux moral outrage.
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Very well said my friend...
 
Like they all say, gay is basically the new black. that statement is very true... it is also the new Jew and the new native American and exc.... overtime the discrimination will get better but it will never die out, there will always be hate.... I don't know why our Gov. and society is narrow minded enough to only look at homosexuals in one way; especially if half of the American population wants them to marry. on the terms of this argument there is no double edged sward. The point is, just laws are valid and all unjust laws are not. Just like MLK stated. any law that discontinues the rights of the people just for the sake of it "being wrong" is not a good enough indicator of why a law should be banned. that is like passing a law saying people shall not wear crocs because crocs are not a good looking shoe. on terms of God being involved... I'm pretty sure God would not put his humanly creations on this planet if they were destined to be sinful and of no moral use and value. God loves every one of us as human beings, not some as equivalent as a trunk of forgotten toys. If God wanted to treat the slaves, gays, Jews as dogs he would of stated it in the Fine print of the Bible, we should not have to nit pick every line over the centuries to actually interpret what he was trying to say. And I know America is the only Gov. that uses "Under God" as a saying...but since when was our modern day so religious to the point where God and religion has a say over what the candidates want to pass. I mean I know our past presidents were good godly men..(.cough):oops: but I don't see where religion plays a role over their decisions....... just my two cents. :mad:
 
Unfortunately people want the world they think it should be, our values should really be based on what the world is. I don't give a **** about sanctities or sacredness. I don't believe in marriage but it doesn't bother me that it is prevalent in the world. Let people be happy in there own way and do whatever they like. I am surrounded currently by a lot of christians that are all deeply offended by this(i don't speak for all of course) and putting up the most ridiculous arguments. I don't want argument,i don't want to challenge identity based metaphysics. I want communication and dialogue/

We can look back in the past and see "wow we were pretty socially limited at the time" and we will definitely be seeing that in the future. Infact our social values today are so massively distorted. We are pretty technologically advanced...but 1000 years behind in social relations.Even if someone wants to marry a pig, you don't need to start getting angry at the guy, it would be more helpful to look into that guys past and see why he wants to marry pigs. There is nothing genetically wrong with him, something brought him to adopt that value system at some point in the past.

In the end i think it all comes down to ignorance.Uh who gives a flying ****? Life isn't serious, it doesn't care what you think. So dance!

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