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[Deleted member 21244]

Claire and leon had in a way the same ending in degeneration, leon continue to fight the biotterorism into the US government and claire continue the fight whit terra save but in a more peaceful way...
Those this mean they decided to retire leon?? I seriously doubt that, degeneration point was to give the character a new motivation to continue being in the series, Capcom will never retire its main character, especially in a cgi movie...
Also resident evil is not metal gear solid or the last of us or uncharted, the series as well as its main character will continue to happear until success is granted

 

[Jen]

You and I read this very differently. She isn't in the eye of the storm. That's the point. She's part of the team that cleans up AFTER the storm. Just like real humanitarian organizations. When a Tornado is destroying a city, you don't have your humanitarian groups repairing buildings mid storm. They do it after. Yeah, you have your first responders doing stuff. Police and Medical personal driving ambulances when they're called. But that's effectively the BSAA in this scenario. The folks on the ground mid outbreak. Her mission is to restore hope to people when they've lost everything. Now, you can argue that part of being in TerraSave would entail going into these events mid outbreak to save people. But if that's the case, they'd basically just be another military style organization such as the BSAA or the US government. And if that's what they were gonna do, then that's redundant, makes what they've done with Claire even more pointless. Not only is this a dumb idea, but there is NO information on TerraSave that shows that they do this/have this capability. Again, they're a humanitarian group. So no. Claire isn't in the eye of the storm. And that's what Degeneration was going out of their way to show.

The BSAA are there to stop outbreaks from spreading. Yes, they save people if they happen across them and evacuate if possible, but their role is simply to stop the virus spreading and bring criminals/shady companies to justice.

TerraSave are multi-functional. They help during and after outbreaks and they protest for human rights. Neil Fisher and Gina Foley were deployed into Terragrigia during the outbreak and saved Natalia. They didn't wait until after the city sunk to get involved.

They only ended up in Kijuju after the fact because nobody knew that there was an outbreak - Chris and Sheva thought that they were busting a black market weapons deal. That's why TerraSave went in after in that instance.

Also, what would be the point in purely going in afterwards? They aren't going to make sure that every single B.O.W. is eliminated before sending TerraSave in there. You try to save people during an outbreak - they're not doing their job very well if they wait until it's too late for the majority of people and then are like, 'Okay, let's clean up, guys'.

 

[KennedyKiller]

The BSAA are there to stop outbreaks from spreading. Yes, they save people if they happen across them and evacuate if possible, but their role is simply to stop the virus spreading and bring criminals/shady companies to justice.

TerraSave are multi-functional. They help during and after outbreaks and they protest for human rights. Neil Fisher and Gina Foley were deployed into Terragrigia during the outbreak and saved Natalia. They didn't wait until after the city sunk to get involved.

They only ended up in Kijuju after the fact because nobody knew that there was an outbreak - Chris and Sheva thought that they were busting a black market weapons deal. That's why TerraSave went in after in that instance.

Also, what would be the point in purely going in afterwards? They aren't going to make sure that every single B.O.W. is eliminated before sending TerraSave in there. You try to save people during an outbreak - they're not doing their job very well if they wait until it's too late for the majority of people and then are like, 'Okay, let's clean up, guys'.

Then that's just bad writing. Because you aren't going to send a non-military organization into the middle of a bio-hazard situation. Not by themselves. I mean you're right, that story wise that DID happen. But Capcom needs to decide whether they're a military group or a humanitarian group. You can't be both, as they're kind of the antithesis of one another.

 

[Jen]

Then that's just bad writing. Because you aren't going to send a non-military organization into the middle of a bio-hazard situation. Not by themselves. I mean you're right, that story wise that DID happen. But Capcom needs to decide whether they're a military group or a humanitarian group. You can't be both, as they're kind of the antithesis of one another.

The thing is, they're not just a non-military organisation. They're an NGO - a Non-Government Organisation. Yes, they're affiliated and work with the government, but ultimately, they aren't controlled by them.

Think about TerraSave like the Red Cross (another NGO). They're involved on the ground while conflict is ongoing, and also help to rebuild after. They're there to help regular people, rather than stop a bioterror threat. They save lives and promote human rights.

By being a part of this, Claire is never far away from bioterror conflict. Yes, her faith is shaken somewhat when she feels like they just made things worse, but Leon reassures her that she wasn't wrong to pursue the path she did. There's no talk of retirement.

I'm curious as to what specific pieces of dialogue led you to believe that Claire was retiring in Degeneration.

 

[KennedyKiller]

The thing is, they're not just a non-military organisation. They're an NGO - a Non-Government Organisation. Yes, they're affiliated and work with the government, but ultimately, they aren't controlled by them.

Think about TerraSave like the Red Cross (another NGO). They're involved on the ground while conflict is ongoing, and also help to rebuild after. They're there to help regular people, rather than stop a bioterror threat. They save lives and promote human rights.

By being a part of this, Claire is never far away from bioterror conflict. Yes, her faith is shaken somewhat when she feels like they just made things worse, but Leon reassures her that she wasn't wrong to pursue the path she did. There's no talk of retirement.

I'm curious as to what specific pieces of dialogue led you to believe that Claire was retiring in Degeneration.

When I said military, that was a poor choice of words. I mean, a militia, war based organization. Point is, by calling them a Humanitarian organization, that implies non violence. And no military STYLE (Government or not) training. I get they're their own business. What I'm saying is that the idea of sending employees of a humanitarian company into a battlefield, when by all accounts, they shouldn't have survival training for events like that given what the company is about, is poor writing. Name one humanitarian organization in real life that's sending people into warzones, without actual trained military (or similar) accompaniment.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

When I said military, that was a poor choice of words. I mean, a militia, war based organization. Point is, by calling them a Humanitarian organization, that implies non violence. And no military STYLE (Government or not) training. I get they're their own business. What I'm saying is that the idea of sending employees of a humanitarian company into a battlefield, when by all accounts, they shouldn't have survival training for events like that given what the company is about, is poor writing. Name one humanitarian organization in real life that's sending people into warzones, without actual trained military (or similar) accompaniment.

Who say that terra save can't use violence?
Terra save purpose is to send they operative on site while the bioterrorist attack is still present to aid people who were attacked, I see them more like medick in the field, also they can use gun, they are not affiliated whit Gandhi lol they are sent in the field while the attack is present, while bsaa is more like the strong arm during the attack since they are send in heavy force to eliminate the threat, Terra save provide aid to people attacked and they can use gun... In degeneration they were doing a peaceful protest that why claire didnt bring a gun whit her, if she know that a bioterrorist attack was going to accur she would probably have taken a gun whit her

 

[Jen]

When I said military, that was a poor choice of words. I mean, a militia, war based organization. Point is, by calling them a Humanitarian organization, that implies non violence. And no military STYLE (Government or not) training. I get they're their own business. What I'm saying is that the idea of sending employees of a humanitarian company into a battlefield, when by all accounts, they shouldn't have survival training for events like that given what the company is about, is poor writing. Name one humanitarian organization in real life that's sending people into warzones, without actual trained military (or similar) accompaniment.

The Red Cross are present in warzones. TerraSave need to have training to fight bioterror as they still come across it in their jobs - even though they're not directly tasked with ending bioterror like the BSAA are.

Which pieces of dialogue made you think that Claire was retired?

 

[bSTAR_182]

I’d imagine the BSAA are used to escort Terrasave depending on the situation. Like how Child Protective Service workers use police officers and county sheriffs to assist them in an escalated situation.

 

[KennedyKiller]

The Red Cross are present in warzones. TerraSave need to have training to fight bioterror as they still come across it in their jobs - even though they're not directly tasked with ending bioterror like the BSAA are.

Which pieces of dialogue made you think that Claire was retired?

If figured Capcom was using Degeneration to retire her by putting her in what seemed like a more administrative role. Such as when she talks about working with the FDA, when her and Leon have the exchange where he refers to her as a Rescuer rather than a fighter. Her being an N.G.O member. Basically Degeneration showed she had moved to a non-combat oriented role in Bio-Terrorism. Effectively retiring her as a playable character because of what her new job is. That's what I thought then. That's still what I think, but Revelations 2 kinda proved that wrong. Now granted, she's forced against her will to participate in those events, but now that they've done that before, they can't really use it again. Or if they do, it would show how poorly they write for Claire now, having boxed her in where they did. I like that she's working for TerraSave. I like that she has a non-combat role in the fight against Bioterrorism. I think it was a natural arc for her character. Now let's leave her alone. Ya did good Capcom. Wrap up the other character's arcs.

As far as the RedCross goes, they're in warzones with military accompaniment. That's what I'm saying. Red Cross employees aren't saving lives while they're strapped with guns and ammo. They're just there for relief/aid. That's all I'm trying to say about Terra Save. Is they are a humanitarian organization. They're not fighters. And I'll explain more in a response to bSTAR

I’d imagine the BSAA are used to escort Terrasave depending on the situation. Kind of like child protective service workers use police/sheriffs to assist them in an escalated situation.

And yeah, that does make sense. In fact, the FBC are the ones that escorted TerrSave in the first Revelations game. Which shows that they're non-combative, so playing as them doesn't really make a lot of sense in RE, where, even in the older more survival based ones, they're still far more combat oriented than games like Outlast. Now, give us a Resident Evil game that's PURELY about survival, Outlast or Slender style, and have us play as a TerraSave member, and I'll be on board. But in a series where gunplay has always been a part of it...TerraSave seems more like a tool for writing non combat based characters, and driving the overall plot of bioterrorism.

 

[bSTAR_182]

Claire is the only Terrasave member that we’ve seen use any combat and we all know her background. I’m really not seeing the issue with how she was utilized in Revelations 2... this seems to have become a grasping at straws situation. Regardless of if Degeneration was supposed to be her end to the series (which I really don’t think it was meant to be), they brought her character back in a way that actually works and can be utilized for future installments.

We all seem to agree Terrasave members could be put in some high risk situations. In general, I agree that your average Terrasave worker may not be trained in combat, especially not to the extent of a field agent or soldier. But it really is not hard to fathom that some individuals in Terrasave have knowledge and training in weapons and self defense. The nature of their job alone would make anyone want to be prepared. Fight or flight. If someone has access to a gun and they are in a dire situation, they’ll figure out how to use it.

Another thing to mention is how there are various lines of work, outside of the criminal justice field or military, that allow their employees to carry concealed weapons. Some commercial airline pilots, with the appropriate training, can carry a gun on their flights and have it on their person in the cockpit.

 

[KennedyKiller]

Claire is the only Terrasave member that we’ve seen use any combat and we all know her background. I’m really not seeing the issue with how she was utilized in Revelations 2... this seems to have become a grasping at straws situation.

We all seem to agree Terrasave members could be put in some high risk situations. In general, I agree that your average Terrasave worker may not be trained in combat, especially not to the extent of a field agent or soldier. But it really is not hard to fathom that some individuals in Terrasave have knowledge and training in weapons and self defense. The nature of their job alone would make anyone want to be prepared. Fight or flight. If someone has access to a gun and they are in a dire situation, they’ll figure out how to use it.

Another thing to mention is how there are various lines of work, outside of the criminal justice field or military, that allow their employees to carry concealed weapons. Some commercial airline pilots, with the appropriate training, can carry a gun on their flights and have it on their person in the cockpit.

Lol, all I'm saying with the TerraSave aspect of it, is that it's a very well good way to retire Claire, which is what I thought Degeneration was doing.

 

[Deleted member 21244]

If figured Capcom was using Degeneration to retire her by putting her in what seemed like a more administrative role. Such as when she talks about working with the FDA, when her and Leon have the exchange where he refers to her as a Rescuer rather than a fighter. Her being an N.G.O member. Basically Degeneration showed she had moved to a non-combat oriented role in Bio-Terrorism. Effectively retiring her as a playable character because of what her new job is. That's what I thought then. That's still what I think, but Revelations 2 kinda proved that wrong. Now granted, she's forced against her will to participate in those events, but now that they've done that before, they can't really use it again. Or if they do, it would show how poorly they write for Claire now, having boxed her in where they did. I like that she's working for TerraSave. I like that she has a non-combat role in the fight against Bioterrorism. I think it was a natural arc for her character. Now let's leave her alone. Ya did good Capcom. Wrap up the other character's arcs.

As far as the RedCross goes, they're in warzones with military accompaniment. That's what I'm saying. Red Cross employees aren't saving lives while they're strapped with guns and ammo. They're just there for relief/aid. That's all I'm trying to say about Terra Save. Is they are a humanitarian organization. They're not fighters. And I'll explain more in a response to bSTAR


And yeah, that does make sense. In fact, the FBC are the ones that escorted TerrSave in the first Revelations game. Which shows that they're non-combative, so playing as them doesn't really make a lot of sense in RE, where, even in the older more survival based ones, they're still far more combat oriented than games like Outlast. Now, give us a Resident Evil game that's PURELY about survival, Outlast or Slender style, and have us play as a TerraSave member, and I'll be on board. But in a series where gunplay has always been a part of it...TerraSave seems more like a tool for writing non combat based characters, and driving the overall plot of bioterrorism.

When was stated that fbc escorted terra save in revelation?

If you think degeneration wanted to retire claire, then vendetta wanted to retire Rebecca?

 

[KennedyKiller]

When was stated that fbc escorted terra save in revelation?

If you think degeneration wanted to retire claire, then vendetta wanted to retire Rebecca?

Vendetta treated Rebecca completely differently than Degeneration treated Claire. That said, I've only seen Vendetta once, and would have to rewatch it to be able to make an informed opinion on what I feel like they were doing with Rebecca.