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VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time

Magnolia Grandiflora said:
This is the first problem with the list, actually. While we love these artists/entertainers, they're basing their decisions off of their favorites not who was actually revolutionary or who was a pioneer.

Additionally Kitty Wells should be up here because, much like Janis Joplin, she was a female who broke into a male dominated genre and, at the time, was only able to tour because her husband went with her. (Talk about the unfairness of the times, yeah?) The same could be said for Selena, who not only brought Tejano music to a mainstream white audience, but did what no Latin artist - male or female - had done before by debuting at number one. (She was also the first female Tejano artist to win a Grammy and to have an album go gold.) I also think that Vanilla Ice should be on this list somewhere. Despite all the crap white rappers claim to have gone through because of the Vanilla Ice controversy and what not, has anyone ever thought what else they would have had to go through had Vanilla Ice not waded through all the serious **** first?
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Actually, if you're gonna talk about female ground breaking singers, you also gotta throw in Patty Smith...She was the FIRST female punk singer in the 70's...And her first hit was a song called heroin, with the controversial chorus of "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine"...Now THAT'S heavy...She should be RIGHT up there with the Ramones...
Also, if you're gonna talk about ground breaking white rappers that should've been on the list, even berore Vanilla Ice you have Snow...Check him out...Eminem can suck it after hearing this guy...
 
I agree, Vanilla Ice was a great artist but for some idiot reason people decided to pick on him, he never was the only one using "sampling", and he was the first sucessful white rapper that i know of.
 
Magnolia Grandiflora said:
Sorry sweetie, Vanilla Ice hit the mainstream in '90, having been working since '85, while Snow didn't even release his first album 'til '92. ;)
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But is this in America, where he had the single hit...He had been wrapping without being signed, just like all musicans, before his first album dropped...I won't lie though, I'm not sure how that kind of thing works in Canada...I'm not arguing that Vanilla Ice doesn't deserve it...Because I agree with you completely...
 
KennedyKiller said:
But is this in America, where he had the single hit...He had been wrapping without being signed, just like all musicans, before his first album dropped...I won't lie though, I'm not sure how that kind of thing works in Canada...I'm not arguing that Vanilla Ice doesn't deserve it...Because I agree with you completely...
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I'm talking about who hit mainstream first - which is all of it, America and Canada - who had to go through an entire league of rappers scoffing going: "this guy is white, no way he can rhyme" and being signed is all about mainstream. Vanilla Ice beat Snow on being signed and releasing his first album and single first. We're also talking about two different kinds of rap here; Vanilla Ice was doing what was popular and open to a larger circle of critics while Snow was more of a Reggae artist, if I'm not mistaken. Two different styles and two different audiences and I believe Vanilla Ice has the upper hand on who got the harsher deal.
 
Alright, I'm not going to presume to know anything about music, not really my forte - but would you guys say the Jackson 5 deserve a spot?
 
Magnolia Grandiflora said:
I'm talking about who hit mainstream first, who had to go through an entire league of rappers scoffing going: "this guy is white, no way he can rhyme" and being signed is all about mainstream. Vanilla Ice beat Snow on being signed and releasing his first album and single first. We're also talking about two different kinds of rap here; Vanilla Ice was doing what was popular and open to a larger band of critics while Snow was more of a Reggae artist, if I'm not mistaken. Two different styles and two different audiences and I believe Vanilla Ice has the upper hand on who got the harsher deal.
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The harsher deal lol...Snow went to PRISON lol...Now I'll admit, I didn't realize you were talking about how hit it big first, in that respect you're right...As for the audience...Vanilla Ice had the larger audience due to location...Snow was a reggae/rap...He did have some of that reggae sound to the instrumentals and such, but lyrically it was straight rap...You're right, the styles were different, and the artists were different...But they both had it tough, and really, I think they both desever bein gon the list for different reasons...At the end of the day, I'm sure you and I agree that they are underappriciated when it comes to their accomplishments and what they did for rap...And music in general...
 
La Femme Fatale said:
Alright, I'm not going to presume to know anything about music, not really my forte - but would you guys say the Jackson 5 deserve a spot?
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This is a sticky situation because the Jackson 5, while pretty darned amazing, can't stand up to the influence Michael Jackson had by himself. This would be the case of how Paul McCartney and John Lennon are listed separately and The Beatles are listed ahead of both as solo-artists. Michael would probably be in the top 10, if not 5, while The Jackson 5 might not even make the top 100 but if they did, they would be toward the bottom - ie; 80 to 100 perhaps.

EDIT @ KK: It seems we cross-posted. (Or that I was busy writing while you were posting.)

The audience is what seals the deal, though. Snow didn't have to go through as much criticism because he didn't have as big of an audience as Vanilla Ice. VI had the entire world looking at him while I'm sure many people haven't even heard of Snow. It may be regional and it may not be fair but that's how it is.
 
La Femme Fatale said:
Alright, I'm not going to presume to know anything about music, not really my forte - but would you guys say the Jackson 5 deserve a spot?
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I'm with Flora completely on this one...The Jackson 5 stood out in the beggining because of Micheal anyway...Then he pursued a solo career that will last throughout the ages...If he had not made it so huge solo, no body would remember the Jackson 5 at the end of the day...Kind of like Donny and Marie Osmand with the Osmands...
 
How do they even compile these lists anyway? I mean, polls are all very well and good and so are the views and opinions of critics but at the end of the day, surely personal preference comes into it somewhere along the line?

I hate the Beatles, for example; I think they were a bunch of drug-addled, badly dressed, marginally-talented guys with terrible haircuts. Of course that's almost heresy to say such a thing these days but I truly don't see the big deal. Maybe if I was born a billion years ago or whenever they were around I might feel differently but to be honest, Queen did more for the music scene in my eyes than them. Hell, Erasure for that matter.

Just coz someone has sold fifty billion records or whatever doesn't actually mean they are any good - it just means they are popular. It's not the same thing. Not by a mile. Some people are only recognised by that one song they did; does that make them worthy of being on such a list? Or unworthy?

Don't get me wrong - I'm a musician and vocalist. I love music and what have you. But I find these sorts of lists to be a bit of a popularity contest rather than an actual collection of skilled and worthy artists in order of rank based on objective reasoning. Ain't no one going to tell me what the number one artist of all time is - that's for me to decide for myself.
 
Angel said:
I hate the Beatles, for example; I think they were a bunch of drug-addled, badly dressed, marginally-talented guys with terrible haircuts. Of course that's almost heresy to say such a thing these days but I truly don't see the big deal. Maybe if I was born a billion years ago or whenever they were around I might feel differently but to be honest, Queen did more for the music scene in my eyes than them. Hell, Erasure for that matter.
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Thank you! Finally someone dislikes The Beatles! I'm sorry but this whole thing about them being the best thing to hit the freaking shore in the 60's is really wearing on my nerves. *pinch* I'd love for more people to sit up and take notice of the sophisticated sounds of The Zombies, the raunchiness of The Kinks or the moody and bluesy sound of the appropriately named The Moody Blues. Honestly, I don't get all the hype about The Beatles; they were good at best and only gained their immense popularity because the majority of American teenage girls always have, and always will have crap taste in music. (And I say this as a former teenage female in America.)
 
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