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Trump.

cheezMcNASTY

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The Trumpinator is running. And he's winning in the GOP.
What does his lead tells us about the state of politics in the USA?

We should take the opportunity to learn why he's gotten as far as he has. We should not just make a snide comment about the IQ of the general population and ultimately gain nothing from this. The fact is, whatever it is he's doing, it's working.

I thought anyone supporting him was stupid.
In a Sun Tzu-esque "respect your enemy" manner of thinking: in my experience, when stupid starts winning, I have made an abhorrent miscalculation.

What is making this Trump machine tick?
 
The idiots usually seem to win. Obama was an exception. At this point I think most people are just joking with who they want to win. If not, I'm truly worried about human kind.
 
I think that the support for Trump is twofold.

Firstly, I mean, let's not be afraid to call a spade a spade. Many of Trump's remarks certainly do appeal with people who may habour racist and/or sexist thoughts and feelings. Having a policy position that is strongly against illegal immigration is one thing, but it's another thing altogether to refer to all Mexicans as rapists and propose taking away the citizenship of people born on American soil solely for the 'sins' of their parents/grandparents, etc. I think he does appeal to that demographic who always felt that hispanics and blacks are 'the other', but caved into societal pressure and political correctness. Likewise, his supporters are also not terribly hung up over him calling women disgusting 0r telling them they look good on their knees. Not quite the language I'd expect from someone seeking presidency, but if you're someone who agrees with these positions...

I also think a lot of it has to do with people getting tired of traditional smooth-talking politicians. It's one of the reasons support for Hillary Clinton is starting to fall in favour of Bernie Sanders. Hillary is 100% the establishment - the elite, as are many of the other Republican candidates. I imagine a great deal of Trump's support is based on the fact he's not a seasoned, polished politician and voters generally will flock to those they perceive 'tell it like it is'. We have something similar here - the Liberal candidate, Justin Trudeau is not a career politician like the other two leaders. He does have his goofs and he trips up, but I think a lot of the support for him is because people can relate to someone who doesn't always sound like they are reading a carefully written script. Though don't get me wrong, by no means does he have anything on Trump.

Though, to be honest, I think there's far more to his candidacy than what meets the eye here. He has identified himself as a Democrat numerous times before, his stance on healthcare is even to the left of Obamacare (he has suggested single-payer like we have here in Canada), he's come out very publicly and said that hedge fund managers should pay more taxes via the Club4Growth twitter feud and he's been a bit more compassionate regarding the Syrian refugees than his counterparts. He's so inconsistent with his opinions that I don't know where I'd put him on the political spectrum. Don't get me wrong, I generally despise conspiracy theories - but I would not be surprised if this was all a ploy by the DNC to split the Republican vote and Trump's in on it. He was the only candidate who has given some indication that he's not interested in supporting any other R candidate - so we know there are limits to his loyalty to the GOP. Say he loses the Republican nomination and actually runs as an Independent? Then the Republican vote is split, the Democratic candidate wins quite easily and Trump walks away with the best publicity money can buy.
 
I love how we have a thread dedicated to elections, but Trump is so ridiculous he demands a thread of his own. That said,

I think there are a number of reasons for why he is so popular, but I think the biggest one is how upfront he is. Most sane people know you can't trust 99% of politicians. And with Trump, we can all trust him to be ridiculous and upfront about what he thinks about anything. Basically, American politics have gotten so shady and slimy, that a total jerk like Trump is considered refreshing.
 
The fact is, whatever it is he's doing, it's working.
Whatever it is he's doing, it's right. lol :P




I have not always liked Trump, but I kind of like him now because he gives a damn about political correctness. If there is one thing I'm sick of, it's political correctness!
I know this is a very thin reason for liking him, but I can't vote so I don't bother going deeper.

But will he become president? I doubt it, it's not wise of him to alienate himself from millions of hispanic voters. I think he could have tried to win both anti-immigration votes and hispanic votes.

What Femme said about Trump wanting to revoke citizenship from people born in the USA, to revoke their citizenship is wrong and I don't think he will actually do it, I think he will find it impossible if not too immoral.
 
While he's a crude, crass, asshole, he makes a few valid points. You have to think about this...Politicians usually get into politics for ONE reason. To get power and STAY in power. That goes for both the liberals and conservatives. That said, Trump doesn't need to worry about that. He has more money than 99% of the 1%. He can control everything without being a politician. So when you think of it that way, it could be safe to say he really does plan on changing things, and really does believe in what he's saying. Whether that's good or bad for America remains to be seen. But there is a lot more to his candidacy than meets the eye. There is also a lot more to consider than simply ''He is Republican. He is bad.'' Making snide comments and getting a cheap laugh without trying to consider both sides is what makes you part of the problem...And after all this, he still doesn't have my vote, Bernie Sanders does...throwing that out there before people start calling me a bigot for liking Trump which will inevitably happen, just because I honestly do think he does make some interesting points...and effective ones at that...
 
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