This is just wrong....

[AgentZero]

I'm pretty sure you are a man.

No one should dress their child as a whore. Little Miss Sunshine was funny as it was a movie, this is real and its messed up.

I'm pretty sure you are too

 

[Capcomplicated]

Wow! Some times I feel like I come from a different universe!

The video is blocked in my country and because of all the comments here i thought they were molesting the kids or something. Then I watched it on an another site so here's my opinion.

When it comes to appearence what is considered ethical and what not differs from time and place. I remember a teacher of mine telling me how unethical it was having a bath during the middle ages because according to Christianity it was your soul that should be clean and not your body. I also remember a video that it was stating how normal it was in the ancient times for vases, that were displayed publicly, to portray sexual intercourse between people, homosexual or heterosexual.

Obviously, I'm a part of a society with its own rules of morality towards ones image. I don't have a daughter but probably I don't think I would let her do this dancing because of those rules. However, I also try to think that those things are personal for the reasons I explained in the paragraph above and I'm not going to bash anyone for letting his kid act like this. Because for me real immorality comes from your actions towards other people - when you kill, when you steal, when you sexually abuse someone, not from the way you look.

On a side note, one should have seen this happening sooner or later. Kids will always immitate adults.

Also, to clarify it's not like I didn't find this weird, but I do believe there are things which are far worse out there.

There are no doubt far worse things going on, but this just so happens to be here as well. Kids (i'm going to assume in most cases) are too young to discern the implications of what they are doing besides just 'dancing in adult clothing'. I think its sad when adults see nothing wrong with this type of exposure even if you dont fully understand why. There is a difference between cute and intentionally transgressive behavior which those in charge of the kids should take note. Planting seeds like "its okay to dress this way" can lead to other very dangerous avenues for those children. Which in my opinion should be heavily guarded against up until a certain age. Lol you'd probably see me as the guy who jumps up on stage and grabs my kid.

 

[Mr Sunshine]

I was starting to worry for a few days. It's nice to see that people come to me with arguments again rather than bashing my opinions without explaining themselves. Anyway..

However, society today doesn't agree with dressing your child as a whore and sending them out on stage.

Well, it seems like most people in your society doesn't agree with that and I quess the same applies for my society as well, but I don't think that what the majority believes defines what's right and what's wrong. In fact I still believe that it is a personal matter and that there's no right or wrong.

Agreed, but this is practically child porn. I see what you mean, and it could be considered normal even.

There are no doubt far worse things going on, but this just so happens to be here as well. Kids (i'm going to assume in most cases) are too young to discern the implications of what they are doing besides just 'dancing in adult clothing'. I think its sad when adults see nothing wrong with this type of exposure even if you dont fully understand why. There is a difference between cute and intentionally transgressive behavior which those in charge of the kids should take note. Planting seeds like "its okay to dress this way" can lead to other very dangerous avenues for those children. Which in my opinion should be heavily guarded against up until a certain age. Lol you'd probably see me as the guy who jumps up on stage and grabs my kid.

I think that our society today fails to distinguish nudity from porn. Porn requires some sort of sexual intercourse. All I saw was a bunch of 7-years-old girls showing off their dancing abilities and I have to say they're darn good. Saying that this is porn is like saying nudist people on beaches are a walking porn. And the kids here were not even naked! Seriously, I didn't think of sex at all when I saw it. Only a pedophile would do so but I don't think people are turning pedophile because of a video like this.. Remember it's not a choice.

I agree that children are way too innocent, but I also believe that in some cases we should remain as innocent as our kids. We are born naked. Everyone is naked under his clothes. People should be more comfortable with what they are. And it's not like I'm comfortable being nude on public but I'm only saying what direction our society should take for the future. We shouldn't be ashamed of ourselves when someone catches us naked.

As for the way they were dancing I believe it takes a lot more than that to take away a child's innocence. Like I said they weren't abused or anything. I'm pretty sure they had a lot of fun dancing just like the crowd cheering for them. I doubt that all of them were pedophiles.

Again I'll agree that the intentions of the producer matter, but I don't think he was thinking of having sex with the children when he was preparing all this. But then again I haven't asked him. Well, whatever.

Edit: I'm not saying that one shouldn't be having a very close look on his children all the time. But the problem for me would be if my children were blindly idolizing someone like Beyonce not a single dance. As long as I would pay close attention to them I'm pretty sure a dance like that wouldn't have hurt them at all.

 

[VP-70]

Could gather ourselves and kick some doors in and make some statements, or we can continue to be '' insulted '' on an internet forum.

 

[L]

I think that our society today fails to distinguish nudity from porn. Porn requires some sort of sexual intercourse. All I saw was a bunch of 7-years-old girls showing off their dancing abilities and I have to say they're darn good. Saying that this is porn is like saying nudist people on beaches are a walking porn. And the kids here were not even naked! Seriously, I didn't think of sex at all when I saw it. Only a pedophile would do so but I don't think people are turning pedophile because of a video like this.. Remember it's not a choice.

Crap, didn't mean to say porn. I don't remember what I was gonna type but it was something along the lines of neglegence. Not that serious though.

 

[La Femme Fatale]

... I feel robbed of my childhood. Why didn't MY mom dress ME like a whore and force me to practise my sexy dance ten hours a day too? Dammit, I could have had six million views on Youtube by now!

On a serious note, I think kids should be allowed to be kids and I think some people either forget or ignore that and they shouldn't. And let's try to keep the personal jabs to a minimum, thank you my duckies.

 

[Capcomplicated]

As for the way they were dancing I believe it takes a lot more than that to take away a child's innocence. Like I said they weren't abused or anything. I'm pretty sure they had a lot of fun dancing just like the crowd cheering for them. I doubt that all of them were pedophiles.

Again I'll agree that the intentions of the producer matter, but I don't think he was thinking of having sex with the children when he was preparing all this. But then again I haven't asked him. Well, whatever.

Edit: I'm not saying that one shouldn't be having a very close look on his children all the time. But the problem for me would be if my children were blindly idolizing someone like Beyonce not a single dance. As long as I would pay close attention to them I'm pretty sure a dance like that wouldn't have hurt them at all.

While i agree it does take alot more to take a childs innocence. I dunno i'm still against the whole thing...it just isnt necessary to dress that way as a youngling. Like it kinda makes me question the producers decision making process. I should clarify that i didnt think it was porn or somehow dirty. I'm more on the unethical side of letting the girls dress like that at such a young age and the psychological problems it may present. More so just as a vindication for the endless circle of rapists, date rapists, pedophiles, and the like versus the more provocative clothing. If that makes any sense lol. A childs mind is a window of opportunity and starts shaping opinions and making decisions very early on. But i could be wrong. If it would were my kid i would definitely decline if i knew they were wearing that if only to teach her class lol

 

[Mr Sunshine]

While i agree it does take alot more to take a childs innocence. I dunno i'm still against the whole thing...it just isnt necessary to dress that way as a youngling. Like it kinda makes me question the producers decision making process. I should clarify that i didnt think it was porn or somehow dirty. I'm more on the unethical side of letting the girls dress like that at such a young age and the psychological problems it may present. More so just as a vindication for the endless circle of rapists, date rapists, pedophiles, and the like versus the more provocative clothing. If that makes any sense lol. A childs mind is a window of opportunity and starts shaping opinions and making decisions very early on. But i could be wrong. If it would were my kid i would definitely decline if i knew they were wearing that if only to teach her class lol

I dunno, many little girls on the beach are topless and nobody complained about it.

Anyway, the bottom line is everyone who cares about his children does what he thinks it's best for them. Like I said I'm not going to be the first who will allow his kids to be in a show like that but at the same if some parents don't have a problem with it I can't say anything to them either.

Now, if someone comes with evidence that a thing like this causes psychological problems to children I'm all for yelling at their parents as well, but I don't know. I'm not a psychologist.

 

[VP-70]

... I feel robbed of my childhood. Why didn't MY mom dress ME like a whore and force me to practise my sexy dance ten hours a day too? Dammit, I could have had six million views on Youtube by now!

On a serious note, I think kids should be allowed to be kids and I think some people either forget or ignore that and they shouldn't. And let's try to keep the personal jabs to a minimum, thank you my duckies.

Good to see an honest and sharp opinion on something that doesn't border on the troll/asinine.
There has to be questions asked of the parent's motives and mental frame of mind, as i suspect their children to be under serious pressure, that the brain at such an age hasn't even developed into the stage of reasoning.

Anyways, i could type and type and type on this subject but i'll let it go, and let the dogs chase their tails.

 

[Capcomplicated]

Good to see an honest and sharp opinion on something that doesn't border on the troll/asinine.
There has to be questions asked of the parent's motives and mental frame of mind, as i suspect their children to be under serious pressure, that the brain at such an age hasn't even developed into the stage of reasoning.

Anyways, i could type and type and type on this subject but i'll let it go, and let the dogs chase their tails.

I dont appreciate your underlying condescension. If it was or wasnt directed toward me.

 

[KennedyKiller]

Wow...whats worse is probably the hard ons some dudes were getting...

 

[VP-70]

I dont appreciate your underlying condescension. If it was or wasnt directed toward me.

I wasn't looking for your appreciation, and there was nothing underlying about what i said. Nice try thou

 

[Silverback]

This makes me feel sick. It's so degrading and to me, such things serve only to violate a childs innocence. Those cheering in the crowd should hang their heads in shame.

 

[Capcomplicated]

I wasn't looking for your appreciation, and there was nothing underlying about what i said. Nice try thou

Now you see i'm usually one to let things go, for I'm the easy going type. Not alot gets under my skin. But this type of unwarrented arrogance does. And there was underlying condescension in that statement whether you intended it or not. The fact that you like to cap things off at the end of your posts like "Nice try though" makes you think your clever in all reality youre just being an ignorant **** most of the time. Now you'll notice i didnt say you were an ignorant **** because i believe that everyone has the ability to undergo vast changes in thier life giving them the ability to have this thing called HUMILITY, which is hard for some men to do because it requires the subject to allow themselves to be vulnerable. Labeling someone as so gives them justification if not a new light on their behavior, so i tend to state them as 'act as so' rather than 'being one'.

In order to truely be the MAN that you internally desire (which is obvious) virtues such as this are essential not only to your masculinity but your humanity.

The fact that the majority of your posts are anti-american lets me know that you are just as ignorant as a racist and just as judgemental. And no one likes a racist. You may view this post as direct attack against you but in actually we would all like to see you grow up. And while i know you have strict rules on what growing up means...i'm refering to the much broader definition.

 

[Vicious]

This is a touchey subject. So let's not get carried away. I know ALL about getting carried away I loose control enough times during the month... Now then, where to F-ing start.

All I'm gonna say about this thread, is simple, it could be in a symetrical line with the film Donnie Darko.. When I clicked the link alarm bells were ringing.. I thought of Donnie Darko straight away lol. What happens in the film is.. A new teacher joins the school, makes the young girls do a dance like this.. making them wear skimpy outfits, Now where all the crowds and parents are happy and proud there's a deeper and darker side to the perfomance. If anyones seen Donnie Darko then they know what I'm talking about. It's a great film. Donnie burns the teachers house down and they find a dungeon of porno. He gets arrested the next day and all the mothers are so pi$$ed with the school. Has anyone seen Donnie Darko?? If not, I just gave away a small part of the plot lol.

 

[VP-70]

Now you see i'm usually one to let things go, for I'm the easy going type. Not alot gets under my skin. But this type of unwarrented arrogance does. And there was underlying condescension in that statement whether you intended it or not. The fact that you like to cap things off at the end of your posts like "Nice try though" makes you think your clever in all reality youre just being an ignorant **** most of the time. Now you'll notice i didnt say you were an ignorant **** because i believe that everyone has the ability to undergo vast changes in thier life giving them the ability to have this thing called HUMILITY, which is hard for some men to do because it requires the subject to allow themselves to be vulnerable. Labeling someone as so gives them justification if not a new light on their behavior, so i tend to state them as 'act as so' rather than 'being one'.

In order to truely be the MAN that you internally desire (which is obvious) virtues such as this are essential not only to your masculinity but your humanity.

The fact that the majority of your posts are anti-american lets me know that you are just as ignorant as a racist and just as judgemental. And no one likes a racist. You may view this post as direct attack against you but in actually we would all like to see you grow up. And while i know you have strict rules on what growing up means...i'm refering to the much broader definition.

I hope you got that out your system.

Psychoanalysis over the internet is never a good or productive idea,especiially when it's a stranger.

I'm turning a blind eye to the charges you bring against me for two reasons,
1, Because i'm too busy laughing at the irony in your post.......
2, Refer to my opening line in this reply for clarification.

Now,

Any chance you could remain on topic ? Because i do believe that the subject matter is of more importance than your hot air.

 

[Vicious]

Forget about it VP-70 & Capcomplicated, I almost got banned for starting a argument *cough* with Angel, Luck had it she was the bigger person and let it go. Those debates just go on and on..

Caps your doing essays and VP your just mocking them lol. ;;>.> I dunno, Opinions dont change all the time, but respect does...?

 

[VP-70]

Forget about it VP-70 & Capcomplicated, I almost got banned for starting a argument *cough* with Angel, Luck had it she was the bigger person and let it go. Those debates just go on and on..

Caps your doing essays and VP your just mocking them lol. ;;>.> I dunno, Opinions dont change all the time, but respect does...?

I haven't the faintest idea what you are on about, there is no argument here..

You wouldn't be as so kind as to steer this potential run away train back on topic would you ?

 

[Vicious]

Sorry mate xD I thought you was both getting anoyyed at each other so I broke the ice with my... ice breaking stills >.>

Have you seen Donnie Darko? there is a part in the film thats right up this threads street.

 

[VP-70]

Sorry mate xD I thought you was both getting anoyyed at each other so I broke the ice with my... ice breaking stills >.>

Have you seen Donnie Darko? there is a part in the film thats right up this threads street.

* Shrugs*
There is nothing of which i consider worthy of being annoyed at.

Yes i have seen Donnie Darko, and although i used to like the film, i tend to just have a sense of indifference towards it these days.