1. What should be the maximum punishment for crimes?
2. Any examples of crimes that should lead to that punishment?
3. What is the maximum punishment where you live, and what do you think about it?
4. Is torture under any circumstances okay? Why, or why not?
5. If you answer "yes" on #4, under what circumstances?
1. Death sentence by hanging. Preferably public. Possibly also hanged, drawn and quartered.
2. Serial murder, arson, sexual crimes against children, spamming, creating malware, terrorism, serial rape, narcotics (large amounts), high treason, and probably everything that leads to 15 years prison or more under the current Norwegian law.
3. The maximum sentence for any crime in Norway is 21 years. Very few criminals get sentenced to 21 years, but the ones who do, have usually killed someone, raped underage persons, or committed arson. And 1 prison year is not a full year, I believe it's 9 months. 21 x 9 = 189 months, and 189 months is 15.75 years real time. A killer may get as little as 10 years and get out after just a few years real time. And because our prisons are like hotels minus the freedom, the punishments are more like forced holiday.
But there is one exception, after 2001, criminals who are deemed dangerous and sane, and are likely to repeat the crime, can be sentenced to containment. Example: A criminal can be sentenced to 10 years + 10 years containment. Containment can be a finite time after the prison sentence as in the example, or it can be containment alone. The duration of containment can be anything from some years to indefinite. If indefinite, the subject will be judged every 5 years. The containment can theoretically be life-long.
In case of insanity, the offender can be sentenced to medical containment, but this is legally not a punishment, and secure "hospitals" are being used instead of normal prisons.
My thoughts about it, is that the level of punishment is ridiculous. The purpose of prison time is to make criminals better and to offer them education. I want much harder punishments and I think we should start to abandon the idea that everybody can be changed to the better. For serious crimes, prisons should rather be used to keep the criminal off the street. Don't offer them education, just offer them food and a minimum of health care. And the standard of the prisons has to be lowered from 3 star hotels to something more medieval. Foreign criminals do really think of our prisons as hotels and they have no fears of committing crimes here.
4. I'm a bit torn on this. I'm generally against torture because it's evil. But I there is one exception where I think evil can be justified.
5. I would like to torture spammers and creators of malware before they are hanged, drawn and quartered. I would not personally quarter them, but after considering it, I would personally torture them and look them into their eyes while doing it. As far as I'm concerned, the only right a professional spammer has, is to suffer before death. I could not pull the legs of an insect. But the nails of spammers and malware writers? Hell YES. (Extreme? Fighting an endless amount of spam through many years can do that to you.)
Discussion unleashed!
PS: I don't mind if you call be barbaric for some of my opinions, it is almost expected. I stand by my opinions and it's a risk I'm willing to take.
2. Any examples of crimes that should lead to that punishment?
3. What is the maximum punishment where you live, and what do you think about it?
4. Is torture under any circumstances okay? Why, or why not?
5. If you answer "yes" on #4, under what circumstances?
1. Death sentence by hanging. Preferably public. Possibly also hanged, drawn and quartered.
2. Serial murder, arson, sexual crimes against children, spamming, creating malware, terrorism, serial rape, narcotics (large amounts), high treason, and probably everything that leads to 15 years prison or more under the current Norwegian law.
3. The maximum sentence for any crime in Norway is 21 years. Very few criminals get sentenced to 21 years, but the ones who do, have usually killed someone, raped underage persons, or committed arson. And 1 prison year is not a full year, I believe it's 9 months. 21 x 9 = 189 months, and 189 months is 15.75 years real time. A killer may get as little as 10 years and get out after just a few years real time. And because our prisons are like hotels minus the freedom, the punishments are more like forced holiday.
But there is one exception, after 2001, criminals who are deemed dangerous and sane, and are likely to repeat the crime, can be sentenced to containment. Example: A criminal can be sentenced to 10 years + 10 years containment. Containment can be a finite time after the prison sentence as in the example, or it can be containment alone. The duration of containment can be anything from some years to indefinite. If indefinite, the subject will be judged every 5 years. The containment can theoretically be life-long.
In case of insanity, the offender can be sentenced to medical containment, but this is legally not a punishment, and secure "hospitals" are being used instead of normal prisons.
My thoughts about it, is that the level of punishment is ridiculous. The purpose of prison time is to make criminals better and to offer them education. I want much harder punishments and I think we should start to abandon the idea that everybody can be changed to the better. For serious crimes, prisons should rather be used to keep the criminal off the street. Don't offer them education, just offer them food and a minimum of health care. And the standard of the prisons has to be lowered from 3 star hotels to something more medieval. Foreign criminals do really think of our prisons as hotels and they have no fears of committing crimes here.
4. I'm a bit torn on this. I'm generally against torture because it's evil. But I there is one exception where I think evil can be justified.
5. I would like to torture spammers and creators of malware before they are hanged, drawn and quartered. I would not personally quarter them, but after considering it, I would personally torture them and look them into their eyes while doing it. As far as I'm concerned, the only right a professional spammer has, is to suffer before death. I could not pull the legs of an insect. But the nails of spammers and malware writers? Hell YES. (Extreme? Fighting an endless amount of spam through many years can do that to you.)
Discussion unleashed!
PS: I don't mind if you call be barbaric for some of my opinions, it is almost expected. I stand by my opinions and it's a risk I'm willing to take.