Resident Evil: Requiem

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Emily being saved goes hand in hand in hand with the overall premise of the game.

Hope.

Fine, but she mutated, and while it looks like they crawled out of it by having her human body seemingly intact beneath the mutations, that creates implications for what Elpis can do (if she is 100% saved with Elpis while still a mutant, because I don’t know if that’s confirmed),

I mean, we aren't seriously arguing about the "science" in this franchise, are we?

Only when it breaks its own rules. Simmons was stupid in 6, and everything in Village was ridiculous, Heisenberg, Miranda….If they want to say Miranda can change her cells to mimic anyone, it’s dumb but it’s internally consistent.

 

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Whatever the case with Simmons was, i’m happy to think all the extra mass that made the fly would fall off him like is shown when he dies, as opposed to the mass which created the t-rex, the mutations clearly shrink and grow out again multiple times, based on the damage he receives.

Importantly, Simmons’s original human body is still absolutely screwed, it’s a property of the C-Virus that it reforms into a recognisable humanoid impression of it, but his actual human body is completely destroyed.

 

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Irving was never even in the same scene with Uroboros. That was a Type-2 or 3 control Plaga.

Correct.

I was using Irving as an example of how the science makes no sense. Irving turning into a massive monster weighing several tons because of Las Plagas works more like a curse than something that could be explained by science.

 

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Fine, but she mutated, and while it looks like they crawled out of it by having her human body seemingly intact beneath the mutations, that creates implications for what Elpis can do (if she is 100% saved with Elpis while still a mutant, because I don’t know if that’s confirmed),



Only when it breaks its own rules. Simmons was stupid in 6, and everything in Village was ridiculous, Heisenberg, Miranda….If they want to say Miranda can change her cells to mimic anyone, it’s dumb but it’s internally consistent.

That's what I mean. They just found Elpis. The "science" (if that's what we can call it) is up in the air at the moment.

 

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Another thing up in the air, imo anyway, is just how true Elpis as this all virus cure is. I can see it nullifying all those that predate it, as well as Wesker, as his abilities have long been a result of an experimental T strain from back in the day.

But what about something like Uroboros? Or the C-Virus? They were made long after Elpis. And it’s also so easy for Capcom to go back on by just coming up with an Elpis resistant virus, ta-da!

 

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Correct.

I was using Irving as an example of how the science makes no sense. Irving turning into a massive monster weighing several tons because of Las Plagas works more like a curse than something that could be explained by science.

But you said Uroboros. That’s wrong. Also, the idea is that Progenitor, Las Plagas and the Mold all work in ways that normal biology says is impossible, and means, in-universe, that the standards and boundaries that modern sciences had determined is possible or plausible needs to be expanded. As for Irving’s transformation, it has precedent. Salazar and Saddler for example.

 

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But you said Uroboros. That’s wrong. Also, the idea is that Progenitor, Las Plagas and the Mold all work in ways that normal biology says is impossible, and means, in-universe, that the standards and boundaries that modern sciences had determined is possible or plausible needs to be expanded. As for Irving’s transformation, it has precedent. Salazar and Saddler for example.

Yes, I said Uroboros and was incorrect.

Salazar was mixed with Verdugo and a plant thing. Saddler was the highest version of what Plagas were.

Irving becomes the below immediately after a dosage.

^ That is not even the entire size of the monster. Again, it's more like a curse than science, which was my point in the beginning. How are we able to legitimately argue the "science" here?

 

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But you said Uroboros. That’s wrong. Also, the idea is that Progenitor, Las Plagas and the Mold all work in ways that normal biology says is impossible, and means, in-universe, that the standards and boundaries that modern sciences had determined is possible or plausible needs to be expanded. As for Irving’s transformation, it has precedent. Salazar and Saddler for example.

Yes I said Uroboros and was inccrrect.

Salazar mixed with Verdugo and a plant-thing. Saddler was the highest version of the Plaga.

Ivring turns into the below immediately after unjecting himself:

^That's not even the entire size of the monster. Which leads me back to the point I was making. Arguing the "science: here is a moot point when it just seems like these are more like curses...

 

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Another thing up in the air, imo anyway, is just how true Elpis as this all virus cure is. I can see it nullifying all those that predate it, as well as Wesker, as his abilities have long been a result of an experimental T strain from back in the day.

But what about something like Uroboros? Or the C-Virus? They were made long after Elpis. And it’s also so easy for Capcom to go back on by just coming up with an Elpis resistant virus, ta-da!

Uroboros was made using Progenitor.

The C-virus is a mix of T-Veronica and G.

 

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Uroboros was made using Progenitor.

The C-virus is a mix of T-Veronica and G.

Doesn’t matter because they were made later. C is more complex than just mixing Veronica and G. And there’s the enhanced strain too that uses Jake’s blood. Uroboros has Jill’s antibodies etc. Elpis shouldn’t be this catch all.

Oh and as for Irving he used a Dominant plaga as well which is what the bosses in 4 have. We can also ascertain he absorbed some of the animals in the lake in order to add to his mass.

"Saddler was the highest version of the plaga" (Dominant plaga) isn’t much of an excuse if you’re trying to make a case for the science either.

 

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Yes I said Uroboros and was inccrrect.

Salazar mixed with Verdugo and a plant-thing. Saddler was the highest version of the Plaga.

Ivring turns into the below immediately after unjecting himself:

^That's not even the entire size of the monster. Which leads me back to the point I was making. Arguing the "science: here is a moot point when it just seems like these are more like curses...

I don’t know what context you mean by “curses,” but as I said, the idea is that science’s ideas of what is possible needs to expand in the RE universe, because there are organisms have been discovered that go against what all the other organisms that have been discovered are capable of, meaning what was thought as impossible is actually possible in that world.

 

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Doesn’t matter because they were made later. C is more complex than just mixing Veronica and G. And there’s the enhanced strain too that uses Jake’s blood. Uroboros has Jill’s antibodies etc. Elpis shouldn’t be this catch all.

Oh and as for Irving he used a Dominant plaga as well which is what the bosses in 4 have. We can also ascertain he absorbed some of the animals in the lake in order to add to his mass.

"Saddler was the highest version of the plaga" (Dominant plaga) isn’t much of an excuse if you’re trying to make a case for the science either.

Of course, it matters that they were made with T or Progenitor. If they are the foundation of the virus, and Elpis was made to wipe out everything that was made with T or Progenitor, it makes sense.

Irving is never shown absorbing anything.

And I am pointing out that there is no case for the "science," it's all over the place.

 

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I don’t know what context you mean by “curses,” but as I said, the idea is that science’s ideas of what is possible needs to expand in the RE universe, because there are organisms have been discovered that go against what all the other organisms that have been discovered are capable of, meaning what was thought as impossible is actually possible in that world.

What I mean to say it that the transformations that are due to viruses are so over the top that they get very close to the line of being almost supernatural.

Of course, I am being facetious, but you get my point.

 

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Of course, it matters that they were made with T or Progenitor. If they are the foundation of the virus, and Elpis was made to wipe out everything that was made with T or Progenitor, it makes sense.

Irving is never shown absorbing anything.

And I am pointing out that there is no case for the "science," it's all over the place.

I don’t agree but I can see your perspective, I just think it’s a cop out that it can effectively cure viruses that were made much later than it, based solely on the fact that they derive from progenitor.

I know he isn’t, it’s plausible though was my point. I’m not claiming it is a fact.

You were kinda justifying the RE4 bosses, like Salazar merging with the plant thing, and Saddler having the "highest version of the plaga" justifying those against Irving, but he uses a Dominant plaga, just like Saddler had anyway.

 

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I don’t agree but I can see your perspective, I just think it’s a cop out that it can effectively cure viruses that were made much later than it, based solely on the fact that they derive from progenitor.

I know he isn’t, it’s plausible though was my point. I’m not claiming it is a fact.

You were kinda justifying the RE4 bosses, like Salazar merging with the plant thing, and Saddler having the "highest version of the plaga" justifying those against Irving, but he uses a Dominant plaga, just like Saddler had anyway.

Understood.

You can easily call it a cop out, but it's what we have now.....

The point I was trying to make with Irving was that the "science" is so nonsensical that it borders on the supernatural when looking at how large Irving gets etc .....

 

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Elpis nullifies Progenitor. Every virus in the series is derived from Progenitor. Technically, none of them are even really different viruses; they’re variants of Progenitor. A, C, G, T, TG, Abyss, Phobos, Uroboros Veronica, it’s all just different flavors of Progenitor. Elpis being designed to make Progenitor go inert at its basic level means any variant or strain that follows it and contains its basic components that allow for mutation will also go inert. In order for any Progenitor strain or variant to not be affected by Elpis, it would need to be specifically engineered to be immune to it. Unless Capcom is intending to ditch all Progenitor-based biohazards going forward, that’s their way around it.

As for Irving’s instant growth, that was something we’ve seen in the series long before Las Plagas even appeared on the scene. Again, it has precedent. Nothing about it was out of the ordinary for how this series works. If you truly must justify it beyond Las Plagas simply having different biology than other lifeforms not found in the Resident Evil universe - an explanation that’s good enough, frankly - then you can say the Plaga ate a school of fish when it fell in the water and ballooned rapidly. There you go.

 

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As for Irving’s instant growth, that was something we’ve seen in the series long before Las Plagas even appeared on the scene. Again, it has precedent. Nothing about it was out of the ordinary for how this series works. If you truly must justify it beyond Las Plagas simply having different biology than other lifeforms not found in the Resident Evil universe - an explanation that’s good enough, frankly - then you can say the Plaga ate a school of fish when it fell in the water and ballooned rapidly. There you go.

Have we seen an instantaneous growth in the size and scale before? When?

Again, I am pointing out the fact that the science in this universe is suspect at best.... Irvings transformation was just used to highlight that.

 

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Have we seen an instantaneous growth in the size and scale we had before? When?

Alexia, Marcus, Morpheus, Saddler, Javier, every G-mutant, Carla, Simmons.

Again, I am pointing out the fact that the science in this universe is suspect at best.... Irvings transformation was just used to highlight that.

Yes, I understand that. And as I keep saying, the science in this universe is saying that the science as it was understood - which is the same as the science in our universe - is incomplete and outdated, and these things that seem like they should be impossible actually aren’t. So it’s not an actual issue.

 

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Alexia, Marcus, Morpheus, Saddler, Javier, every G-mutant, Carla, Simmons.


Yes, I understand that. And as I keep saying, the science in this universe is saying that the science as it was understood - which is the same as the science in our universe - is incomplete and outdated, and these things that seem like they should be impossible actually aren’t. So it’s not an actual issue.

Not at the size scale of Irving. Nowhere close. I mean, he becomes larger than a blue whale. Blue whales are over 200 tons.

The science works more like magic....

 

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Not at the size scale of Irving. Nowhere close. I mean, he becomes larger than a blue whale. Blue whales are over 200 tons.

The science works more like magic....

The scale is irrelevant. By biological standards in the real world, none of these characters would possibly have been able to grow as big as they did in a few seconds. It would take weeks at the absolute bleeding-edge soonest with a constant intake of protein and nutrients. It doesn’t matter if they’re growing twelve feet or a hundred feet, the principle is the same. Once the door is opened for one, it carries over to all the others, any amount of growth is on the table.

And for the record, Simmons, Carla and Morpheus all reached roughly the same size or bigger in the same amount of time, so yes, the scale is definitely there, as well as the timeframe.