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SpawnShooter

SpawnShooter

This party's getting crazy!
Hey everyone, there has been a lot of talk lately about certain actions Capcom have taken. Fans have voiced displeasure about things but they have not listened and in some cases disrespected us and blamed gamers for the mistakes of the company, you may argue they make enjoyable games, but you can't deny they no longer care about the fans and try to rip us off on a regular basis.

So I'm trying to get everyone together on this, they're not listening to individuals so we all need to say something. If Capcom has made actions you don't agree with please help me on this, I'm not trying to get them to give us products for free or completely change I'm just trying to get fans listened to and get the respect we deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7CjYIaYFk

I'm asking people for a video response saying how they feel, you may think "oh it's not worth" it or "I don't want to waste my time" but honestly whats 30 secs on a camera phone or something and with enough people behind this they will have to listen.

If you don't agree with this then please just don't comment, I'm not trying to be popular or start a flame war or anything, I'm just trying to help fans that want change, get our voices heard.

Thanks for your time everyone.
 
I agree with you. I think Capcom needs to listen to people for a change. I think it started with Street Fighter IV and it was probably when they announced Super Street Fighter IV. I'm pretty sure that people who had the original game were angry that they made an updated version and they didn't release the updated version as DLC. Then I think there was Super Street Fighter IV Arcade edition, which while it could be downloaded it still wouldn't be able to be downloaded for the regular game. Then there was the RE5 DLC which the first one sucked (Really I think that DLC should have been free since it was only 2MB.). Then there was Lost in Nightmares which while I did like it, it was way too short. Then Desperate Escape which while it was longer than Lost in Nightmares, it was still too short.

Then there was Dead Rising 2: Case West which was only just a little bit longer than Case 0, but still it was short and you couldn't even play as Frank West.

Then there was Dead Rising 2: Off The Record, which while I will buy, I still think that it could have been DLC. Sure the map is large, it would be another long game, and much more, but if Fallout 3 was able to have a new gigantic map placed in it with many hours of content to explore in it and much more then I'm pretty sure that Capcom can do that with Dead Rising 2: Off The Record.

I think the biggest cluster disappointment that Capcom ever messed up was Ulimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. I mean it's kinda of a rip-off. The first version was released early this year and now their going to release it again and instead of choosing the smart way to put it as both a disc and DLC, they said

"We're pretty sure that people who bought the original early this year will definiatly pay more money to buy the updated version. Sure it can all fit in DLC, but who really buys DLC. Probably just about everyone because it's cheaper to buy, so lets make even more money by putting everything on a disc so that way no one who had the original game would buy it. We'll throw a party when we don't get alot of money."

That's probably not how the conversation went, but I'm 99.99% sure that's how it went. I'm definatly not going to buy Ulimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, not at the price they are asking for it. If it was DLC, sure I'll buy it, but as a Stand Alone disc for a low discount then no. Maybe when it comes down to $20 then I'll buy it. Also they stated that they would have alot more DLC available for download for MvC3, but they only had 2 characters released, 1 costume pack, and 10 Shadow Battles which no one bought because the first one was for free.

Capcom obvisouly needs to put more time into thinking smart and stop jibbing people off their money and give them what they want.
 
Greed. It ruins everything. And I agree, but what do we have to do to get a boycott going? Wait, I don't remember what a boycott is.... Is that where you try to get a game banned or something?
 
Silverback Type1 said:
Greed. It ruins everything. And I agree, but what do we have to do to get a boycott going? Wait, I don't remember what a boycott is.... Is that where you try to get a game banned or something?
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A boycott is basically where you organize a massive group of people refusing to buy a publishers product until the quality is improved
 
Nice bandana.
I have never seen capcom BS, but its probably true as I only pay attention to games. And don't bother about fighting games (Besides MVC, which I haven't played since Dreamcast).
 
Sorry for being ignorant, but what did Capcom do? Release a game with slight changes? If a new release is only slightly changed, then we just don't buy it. Isn't it as simple as that?
Or do they market it as a totally new game?
 
Romero said:
Sorry for being ignorant, but what did Capcom do? Release a game with slight changes? If a new release is only slightly changed, then we just don't buy it. Isn't it as simple as that?
Or do they market it as a totally new game?
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Actually I think what has him P.O.'d is the facts that Capcom's games are starting to decrease in quality and don't care that the fans aren't happy. For instance they changed Dante's image in DMC to something they knew many fans would hate and figured oh they'll complain but still buy it.
 
Capcom's doing a thing on Facebook where they're asking people for feedback. Though I think it's just for Resident Evil. But at least they offered to listen to their fans. I'm hoping that they'll truly listen and make RE6 amazing.
 
Thing is, Capcom are running a business. Whatever they are doing is good for business, even if long-term fans get hacked off by it. All major developers and companies do this sort of thing - look at Call of Duty. Same old crap, different front cover. Year after year. But they will continue to do so until the money literally stops coming in - which will only happen if people do more than petition and complain and actually STOP purchasing from whichever company they are upset with. But to be honest, those who complain the loudest are also those who you will find parting with their cash regardless because they don't want to miss out. Therefore, the company wins again.

This happened to Valve (and keeps happening even though Valve is probably the most fan-friendly of all the majors out there) - people whined and moaned about L4D2 but they still bought the game and so completely voided their own arguments. Same goes for the Fable games - each new title brings out the worst in the complainers but they still buy it. Those who go hardcore and stick to their guns are in the minority; companies know this. They do their homework - they'd be daft not to. In business, the little guy gets screwed, the customer is only right when there is a lawsuit on the horizon which could go badly for the company and it's all about profits over quality for the most part. If every fan was listened to, if all opinions were considered and if devs paid attention to every single forum discussion/facebook page/twitter feed regarding their product - well, the product would simply never be made. And that is VERY bad for business.

You can see the difference with indie developers and mainstream ones by the shift from asking and implementing opinions to just ploughing ahead with board meeting decisions regardless. Sure, some bigger things may change if enough testers say it's just not working out but on the whole, if it ain't utterly broke, why fix it? Take Mojang of Minecraft fame for example - his team is still small enough to listen to fans and try to do what they want...but it's fast approaching the stage where he simply cannot do it anymore. Legal stuff comes into it, financial implications have to be considered and overall a company cannot continue to adhere to fans if it means crippling their business. Even if you think a dev is wealthy enough to manage, there are a lot of jobs riding on their decisions and a lot of costs to be paid and deadlines to be met. It is a shame the fans are the ones who feel they are being stiffed but unless something major happens, things will simply not change. That's not being defeatist, that's just how business works. Someone at the top says "make this happen by this time and within this budget" and the subordinates have to scrabble around to try and fulfill it all whilst spinning the right sort of PR tale to the public to defend their choices and try not to alienate everyone.

I'm not arguing with anyone here, just pointing out a couple of things. Might not be fair, might not even be right whether ethically, morally or otherwise - but it's how it is until something big changes. Although I don't honestly know what that would be and how it would work.
 
KennedyShot02 said:
Actually I think what has him P.O.'d is the facts that Capcom's games are starting to decrease in quality and don't care that the fans aren't happy. For instance they changed Dante's image in DMC to something they knew many fans would hate and figured oh they'll complain but still buy it.
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Pretty much this, the funny thing is though I'm not too upset about the whole new Dante thing. I understand that changes will and can be made and even though I don't like it I can respect their choices. The main thing that gets me mad is things like on disk DLC, them holding back things to be released on a new version of the game and just the overall childishness of the company.

The thing that made me want to start this was the Megaman fiasco and I'm not even a MM fan. I was just sick of Capcom and that was the last straw. I dislike gamers getting the $*** end of the stick and I think Capcom are one of the worst and seem to be becoming trend setters for other companies. I may be a fan-boy but first and foremost I'm a gamer and I don't really like seeing fellow gamers treated like we all have been by Capcom.

I'm hoping the more people I can get to speak up on the things they dislike personally the more subjects there will be for other gamers to relate to and it may help open their eyes into not being Nickel and Dimed anymore. Like we all agree the only way to get change is to stop giving them our money. I agree that if the tactics used by companies work, of course they will continue using them and building on them, that is not just a company thing but human nature, it's just things are going too far. If your local shops tried doing things like gaming companies do, they would soon be out of business. But I don't understand why gaming companies get away with it.
 
Because a local shop is an independent and small fry business which has to carefully balance profits with expense - they don't have the buying power of the huge supermarket chains to get the discounts on their items in order to pass on the savings to the customer which is what makes somewhere like Walmart more popular and profitable than Mr. Thompson's Groceries down the bottom of your street. The bigger the business, the more power they have financially - they can aggressively take over a smaller company or fire almost everyone a la Infinity Ward and still remain afloat because the bank balance allows it and, ultimately, those feeding that bank balance (the customers) allow it by continuing to support them with money even if they disagree with the politics of it.

Something gets big enough, it no longer needs the approval and positive PR that it did when it was small and struggling to make its mark. It's already made it - anything else is a bonus in the shape of a Porsche. Everything is reduced to statistics and annual projections and shareholders - so long as these things look good, screw everything and everyone else. The gaming industry is enormous now - it exceeds that of the music and film industries combined. It would take a lot to bring that behemoth down and I'm not entirely convinced that anything short of a genuine all-out boycott by a considerable number of people would make a difference. But how in the world do you even begin to make that happen? Sure, forums can be made in moments to complain about how fans are treated and people can stick their virtual fingers up at bosses but their wallets sing a different tune and there is no such thing as bad publicity for larger companies. Look at Duke Nukem Forever - almost everyone with a discernible internet voice has bashed it to hell and back, but all it's doing is getting more and more people to buy it in order to see what all the fuss is about. Doesn't matter if they agree afterwards - the payment has been made, the profit logged. The statistics will show only that it made X amount of money - not that it angered X amount of fans who had dutifully waited over a decade for the game to arrive only to be disappointed by it.
 
So maybe a bunch of us should start something and actually *STOP* buying products from Capcom.

Or Crapcom, as I like to call it.
 
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