What If Scenarios

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Wanted to create this thread after the suggestions.

Anyone have more ideas for what if scenarios like these in the video?

Here are mine:

Re0

What if billy and rebecca failed to stop marcus / queen leech and they both died?

Recv

What if alexia decided to experiment on alfred with t-veronica instead of alexander?

What if steve survived and escaped with claire and chris from antarctic base?

Darkside chronicles

What if krauser didnt injure his arm and didnt become evil?

Rerev

What if parker, jessica and raymond died during the terragrigia panic?

Re5

What if jill didnt get captured by wesker in lost in nightmares?

What if josh didnt save sheva's life in time when her gun got jammed?

Marhawa desire ( Re6 prequel manga )

What if ricky killed himself with his gun and chris didnt reach to him in time?

What if merah survived and escaped with chris and piers from marhawa academy?

Re6

What if jake's mom was alive during re6's events?

What if chris and piers died during their edonia operation from carla's trap? Or what if only one of them died?

What if jake and sherry didnt get captured by carla and her men in edonia and they reached to simmons instead?

What if carla didnt contact ada under the guise of simmons to invite her to her submarine?

What if simmons didnt capture deborah to force helena to do his bidding and instead released c-virus gas immediately on tall oaks?

What if leon and helena died during tall oaks incident? Or what if only one of them died?

What if piers survived and escaped with chris from neo-umbrella's underwater facility?
 

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My thoughts and ideas:

> What if steve survived and escaped with claire and chris from antarctic base?
Wesker wouldn't have been able to take his body for experimentation, so unless he could have gotten hold of a T-Veronica sample in some other way, the virus would probably have died with Alexia, altering or even completely averting the events of Operation Javier and RE6. Steve himself would share the fate of Billy, Carlos, Sheva etc., turning into one of those one-off characters that are never seen again after their first and only game.

> What if jill didnt get captured by wesker in lost in nightmares?
Depends on what would have happened to Wesker and Chris, and if Chris had taken Jill's place instead. If they had managed to just throw Wesker out of the window without sacrificing either of themselves, RE5 probably would have played out very similarly, but without Chris's trauma and without Bird Lady, possibly even with Jill as his partner instead of Sheva.
I wonder what story could have been told if Wesker had captured Chris rather than Jill, with her being the main character of RE5. I guess it had to play out the way it did because Chris couldn't have survived Wesker's experiments if he had been in Jill's place, lacking the dormant T-virus in his body that made her so special. Then again, I can totally imagine Wesker turning Chris into his toy boy or something.

> What if jake's mom was alive during re6's events?
Jake became a mercenary to provide for her when she got sick, but continued the work even after her death, so I don't think there would be any major differences here. The more interesting question is, what if Jake's mother had never gotten sick in the first place? He wouldn't have become a mercenary, wouldn't have acquired the fighting and survival skills he has in RE6, and with Sherry as his bodyguard, they would both be screwed.

> What if chris and piers died during their edonia operation from carla's trap? Or what if only one of them died?
Given that Chris and Piers saved the world three times in a row by preventing most of the C-virus missiles from being launched, rescuing Jake from the underwater facility and killing Haos, and that the BSAA apparently didn't have anyone else for the job because they spent half a year looking for an amnesiac drunk just to drag him into a war zone without even giving him time to train, I think it's safe to say that the world would be doomed without Chris. Piers is more expandable, with him dead in Edonia, the task of searching for the missing captain and seducing him into rejoining the BSAA would simply have fallen to someone else.

> What if jake and sherry didnt get captured by carla and her men in edonia and they reached to simmons instead?
Simmons would be very surprised because he never even wanted them to reach him in the first place and specifically ordered Carla to capture Jake, which she did, although she didn't proceed as planned from then on. After the initial shock, he would have tried to kill Jake (and possibly Sherry, too) to ensure that a C-virus vaccine never sees the light of day. The outbreak in Tall Oaks would still have happened, because that was Simmons's doing, but China and the rest of the world might have been spared, depending on Carla's status.

> What if carla didnt contact ada under the guise of simmons to invite her to her submarine?
Ada would be watching TV on her leather couch in her penthouse at an unknown location, never even learning that anything was up, Helena would either get herself killed trying to reason with her mutated sister or end up trapped in the caves with Leon, unable to escape without Simmons's ring that he would have received from Ada. Meanwhile, Carla would still be alive in blob form, plotting revenge.

> What if simmons didnt capture deborah to force helena to do his bidding and instead released c-virus gas immediately on tall oaks?
Without anyone breaching the president's security, Benford might have survived, but his plans of revealing the truth about B.O.W.s to the public would have been delayed because of the outbreak.

> What if leon and helena died during tall oaks incident?
Sherry and Jake would have met with Simmons in China without suspecting anything, making it easier for him to recapture them without attracting unwanted attention. The BSAA would never learn of this, Chris and Piers's campaign would be over after preventing the launch of Carla's missiles, and Piers would be alive and well, but possibly not for long, because unless Jake and Sherry are somehow able to get out of their prison and take on both Ustanak and Haos all by themselves, the world would be doomed.

> What if piers survived and escaped with chris from neo-umbrella's underwater facility?
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think Piers would have lost his mind and killed Chris in the escape pod. Those modified virus samples Carla was carrying in her suitcase were special, affecting their hosts in unique ways and allowing them to retain (some of) their sanity while heightening thoughts and emotions they already felt before injecting themselves, such as Simmons's obsession with Ada and Carla's desire to be her. If anything, Piers would have turned into a superpowered bodyguard for Chris and/or the BSAA as a whole.
 

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts hel! They were really fun to read.

Btw if you guys have more what if ideas; make sure to post them. I might even share your ideas to renegade operative so that he can come up with more fun videos.
 

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There is one what-if scenario I've been thinking about for a while, inspired by Tomb Raider Anniversary, at the end of which the villain Natla offers Lara Croft a place by her side to create a new world and rule over it together, giving Lara superpowers and immortality in the process. Being a good person at heart, Lara unsurprisingly refuses, just like Chris would have refused any similar deal with Wesker at the end of RE1 / REmake. But... what if such a deal had been proposed, and Chris accepted?

I can't really come up with an answer to this question myself, but I'd love to hear someone else's thoughts on it.
 

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So basically hel; your what if idea is " What if birkin created another special t strain as a backup for wesker who saved this virus as a deal for someone else to be his partner and that person happened to be chris who accepted this deal and became evil? "

I'll try to come up with an answer for this:

If chris became evil and a partner for wesker then the other 3 alpha team members' survival rate would drastically decrease since chris did most of the work in remake compared to other alpha team members and this is a major reason why wesker hates chris so much in recv and re5.

They might survive but they could also get killed by chris / wesker or t-002; especially rebecca. Most likely ı think all 3 stars members would have died and ı'll take this into account when continuing my answer.

Chris would have injected t into his body and this would result in different situations.

a. He would have turned into a zombie and wesker would kill him instantly, ruining his plan in the process.

b. Nothing would have happened at 1st and wesker would still shoot him in the head. This would result in 2 things; either chris turning into a zombie after dying which results in " a. " or chris resurrecting and becoming a superhuman. Lets say the latter happened.

I think they still would have released t-002 ( Wesker would still get impaled and resurrect to become a superhuman. Chris would still temporarily knock the bow down. ) to hunt down stars ( who would die ) and depending on to the situation, chris and wesker might kill t-002 if it would attack them. Lets say after stars members died, tyrant decided to attack chris and wesker who killed the bow. Rebirth scenario from umbrella chronicles wouldnt have happened that differently other than chris becoming wesker's partner but imagine in one of the scenarios; t-002 stalks them similar to how lisa stalked wesker in 2nd scenario. They ran off from mansion similar to the ending.

I wont delve that much into re2 and re3 cause the video explains the new situation for those games already but one thing ı'll say is claire would have arrived at raccoon to learn what happened to her brother. And she along with leon, ada and sherry would have survived the events and claire would appear at recv which ı'm gonna focus on more.

The events happen normally but at some point, instead of wesker; chris suddenly appears when claire goes back to ashford estate. Chris might kill claire at there but lets say he didnt like how wesker spared her to give her trauma. The story continues like how it was normally except claire's emotionally messed up due to her brother becoming evil; WAY more than how steve is. When they escape from antarctic base with a truck; their vehicle crashes by alexia's tentacle and they get captured. Steve's situation would be mostly same however claire's situation would be very different; ı will delve into these possibilities with more detail.

1. Claire wouldnt be saved by anyone and after waking up; she wouldnt be able to escape from that cocoon by herself. She might hear noises at the base like wesker and chris fighting alexia and steve but eventually she would perish after the base got blown up due to self destruction system.

2. Claire wouldnt be saved by anyone however she manages to escape from that cocoon somehow. Steve boss fight might happen the same way if wesker and chris dont see her ( which would end up in her dying ) however after the boss fight; she's locked at that room. This would eventually end up in her either getting killed by wesker and chris or her getting captured and brainwashed by them as a member for rival organization. Wesker and chris still kill alexia and obtain steve's body while escaping from the base with or without the brainwashed claire.

3. Alexia captures her and injects her with a t-veronica strain. Her mutation most likely ends up similar to steve's. Chris and wesker kills them and they obtain both bodies for experimentation before escaping from the base.

So this is how recv story would end up. About claire dying ( infected or not. ) or getting captured and brainwashed; ı would say former happens though if she gets captured instead of dying, then she eventually would end up as a superhuman after chris and wesker completes their plan in re5.

I wont delve much into the others but before ending this; ı'll say that dark legacy scenario of umbrella chronicles wouldnt happen that differently other than chris becoming wesker's partner and later on; after wesker kills spencer, they will release uroboros ( Lets say excella has t antibodies in her body. ) into the atmosphere and ı dont think anyone would be able to stop their plans. Ensuring. Complete. Global. Saturation.

So yeah, overall this is how things would end up imo.
 
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We do not "know" Piers is dead! William Birkin survived some crazy **** when he was infected with the G virus. I still think it is feasible that Piers could have survived that explosion/infection/electrocution/drowning. You never know with this damn series! I look forward to reading more thoughts on these What if scenarios!
 

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@mert20004 Wow, thank you for this very elaborate story! So you're basically saying that with Chris on his side rather than working against him, Wesker would have managed to reach his goals - seems plausible! But I especially like the scenario in which Claire survives and is brainwashed into helping as well, so the Redfields and Wesker can become some kind of evil trinity. :twisted:

@UniqTeas I used to say the same thing countless times back when RE6 was new, we never actually see Piers die, and with the endless possibilities introduced by the C-virus, especially Carla's modified samples, who really knows? Simmons died of a rather mundane impalement after shrugging off countless bullets, explosions, a train crash, several lightning strikes, a rocket launcher attack and God only remembers what else, and Carla basically turned into a giant blob of sentient sperm, so I don't understand why the thought of Piers surviving some water and explosions by wrapping himself in a cocoon or some other means of protection that is completely within the established abilities of the C-virus seems so inconceivable to many people. Buuut... Since we're extremely unlikely to ever see Piers again, I figured I might as well consider him dead until I hear otherwise.
 

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So ı've been thinking about the " What if billy and rebecca failed to stop marcus / queen leech and they both died? " scenario. I'll actually try to come up with an answer myself:

1st of all; with rebecca being dead, richard would most likely die way earlier in the mansion. Leeches would infest the mansion and it's possible the queen leech would appear in the mansion as well. Chris' scenario would be much harder due to rebecca being dead and ı dont think wesker would help chris that much. I still think the cast would survive the odds though.

If for some reason; stars dont manage to kill queen leech in the mansion, then he would most likely spread his leeches in raccoon city as well and make the games that take place in raccoon city harder for the characters involved in them. I dont think he and his creations would survive the bombing of raccoon though, they would perish by the bombing. And that's assuming if one of the raccoon city survivors dont manage to kill him.

Rebecca being dead would affect the events of biohazard the stage and vendetta as well. It probably wouldnt affect the events of biohazard the stage that much, bsaa might send someone else as a teacher to the university and the events wouldnt be that different. However it would affect the events of vendetta more. For arias anyway, since he wouldnt be able to capture rebecca and use her for experiments to improve the virus and his plans would have been stopped easier. I still think bsaa would come up with a temporary vaccine though it would have been harder.
 

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So ı've been thinking about the " What if billy and rebecca failed to stop marcus / queen leech and they both died? " scenario. I'll actually try to come up with an answer myself:

1st of all; with rebecca being dead, richard would most likely die way earlier in the mansion. Leeches would infest the mansion and it's possible the queen leech would appear in the mansion as well. Chris' scenario would be much harder due to rebecca being dead and ı dont think wesker would help chris that much. I still think the cast would survive the odds though.

If for some reason; stars dont manage to kill queen leech in the mansion, then he would most likely spread his leeches in raccoon city as well and make the games that take place in raccoon city harder for the characters involved in them. I dont think he and his creations would survive the bombing of raccoon though, they would perish by the bombing. And that's assuming if one of the raccoon city survivors dont manage to kill him.

Rebecca being dead would affect the events of biohazard the stage and vendetta as well. It probably wouldnt affect the events of biohazard the stage that much, bsaa might send someone else as a teacher to the university and the events wouldnt be that different. However it would affect the events of vendetta more. For arias anyway, since he wouldnt be able to capture rebecca and use her for experiments to improve the virus and his plans would have been stopped easier. I still think bsaa would come up with a temporary vaccine though it would have been harder.
Wesker, birkin or colonel Vladimir would have disposed of Marcus anyway

Rebecca death would have effected vendetta story
 

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How and when would they dispose queen leech exactly?
Well, Wesker and birkin were ordered to retrieve the management training facility, and birkin set the self destruct system on, so Marcus would have been killed by thr explosion anyway

If not, Sergei vladimir was also send to eliminate the treath, he could have send his man and his tyrant to eliminate Marcus
 

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Well, Wesker and birkin were ordered to retrieve the management training facility, and birkin set the self destruct system on, so Marcus would have been killed by thr explosion anyway

If not, Sergei vladimir was also send to eliminate the treath, he could have send his man and his tyrant to eliminate Marcus
I dont think marcus would have been killed by training facility's self destruct system; he would most likely get out of there in time to attack spencer mansion with his leeches.

I didnt take ivan into account though; it's possible stars alpha team would have encountered it in the mansion.
 
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What if RE4 was actually about taking down Umbrella for good?

Would it take place in Africa and be an alternate version of RE5? Or is this about taking down Umbrella's European Branch? Is Wesker our big villain? Or is it Spencer? Which characters are involved?

Chris, Claire, Leon, Jill all taking down Umbrella would be a satisfying story.
 
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What if RE4 was actually about taking down Umbrella for good?

Would it take place in Africa and be an alternate version of RE5? Or is this about taking down Umbrella's European Branch? Is Wesker our big villain? Or is it Spencer? Which characters are involved?

Chris, Claire, Leon, Jill all taking down Umbrella would be a satisfying story.

This is what i have been wanting for years, a chance to take down Umbrella with Spencer getting his butt whooped which ends his insane legacy.
 
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hmm....I highly doubt they would do it. If they remake RE4, then it would about the same. Leon rescuing Ashley, Luis fighting a tentacle monster, Ada still wearing that horrible dress...maybe Krauser having a larger role...but i am not holding my breath