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Resident Evil (2002) / HD Remaster (2015) Resident Evil, remake the remake?

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So I think, as with most things, there will be two camps on this question. Capcom have stated that they are definitely up for this idea. I am too.

I can imagine RE1 playing like RE7, with a first-person perspective, and maybe Lisa Trevor stalking you around the mansion. I think a first-person perspective will work perfectly for RE1, because of the narrow corridors and such, you will really feel like the mansion is suffocating and oppressing you. Many are against the first-person perspective of RE7, and are annoyed it will be used again for Village, claiming it to not be 'true to Resident Evil'. But if this is the case, one could just as much be against the over-the-shoulder view adopted by RE4 and continued thereon. If this really is a problem for fans, Capcom could just make it optional. I personally would have loved RE2 & 3 remakes to be first-person.

Even though RE1 remake is a masterpiece, and even though the voice acting in the remake is far better than the original, there is still a lot that could be improved upon. For a game to be truly immersive, you need to believe the characters and the situation needs to feel 'realistic', within reason of course. This is what made Jack Baker so damn terrifying and haunting, you really believed the character, and the voice-acting was incredible. I'm also very excited to see what they do with Wesker within the new tone and atmosphere Capcom have created. I think he would need to be quite different and less cartoony in order for him to be taken seriously as an antagonist in a more serious RE universe.

What do you guys think?
 

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So I think, as with most things, there will be two camps on this question. Capcom have stated that they are definitely up for this idea. I am too.

I can imagine RE1 playing like RE7, with a first-person perspective, and maybe Lisa Trevor stalking you around the mansion. I think a first-person perspective will work perfectly for RE1, because of the narrow corridors and such, you will really feel like the mansion is suffocating and oppressing you. Many are against the first-person perspective of RE7, and are annoyed it will be used again for Village, claiming it to not be 'true to Resident Evil'. But if this is the case, one could just as much be against the over-the-shoulder view adopted by RE4 and continued thereon. If this really is a problem for fans, Capcom could just make it optional. I personally would have loved RE2 & 3 remakes to be first-person.

Even though RE1 remake is a masterpiece, and even though the voice acting in the remake is far better than the original, there is still a lot that could be improved upon. For a game to be truly immersive, you need to believe the characters and the situation needs to feel 'realistic', within reason of course. This is what made Jack Baker so damn terrifying and haunting, you really believed the character, and the voice-acting was incredible. I'm also very excited to see what they do with Wesker within the new tone and atmosphere Capcom have created. I think he would need to be quite different and less cartoony in order for him to be taken seriously as an antagonist in a more serious RE universe.

What do you guys think?

I think REmake had held up pretty well graphics and gameplay wise. I don't think I would want to change much.

I like first person games but I don't thing REmake needs to be first person. Having the option? Yea maybe if you could swap between 1st and 3rd person. Although if they were to do that, they might as well through in the option for over the shoulder camera perspectives. I definitely don't think a remake of REmake should be designed around a 1st person perspective. (By the way I liked RE7 and I have no problems with 8 being 1st person, in fact I look forward to seeing the game.)

Honestly I didn't like Jack Baker. Actually the only character I /liked/ in RE7 was Lucas. I mean, yea, I'd be all for a less cartoonish Wesker as you put it, but I hardly think Jack should be a point of reference of character believability. Resident Evil has always had a bit of cheesiness to it, and while I very much like the remakes, RE7 and what I've seen of RE8, I think it's important to remember where these games started. Of course the dialogue is poor and hammy, especially in earlier games, but I think there's a fine line between polishing the voice acting and outright removing the kind of accidental comic appeal that the earlier games had.

It could work, making them darker. I mean Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 were so bad they were great and at the same time, the reimagining of Evil Dead was really good too, even though the tone was much different. I don't like to discount things before I see them in action, but it just seems like it would be a disservice to the OG REs if they were all completely restructured into a dark, totally serious.... thing.

I do hope to eventually see a remake of Code Veronica, and I feel like a lot can be improved there, with voice acting, certainly with graphics and some revamped dialogue. I think they need to stick close to the original story though, kind of like with REmake2, rather than how they did REmake3. And actually, the story in CV was pretty dark to begin with so it would probably fit in pretty well with he new, darker universe they're creating.

But yea, in summation I would be open to a remake of REmake, although I don't think it needs to be done, especially right now. I also think it should not be first person unless optional and they need to be careful about how much if the original charm is removed in the final product.
 

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Resident Evil has always had a bit of cheesiness to it, and while I very much like the remakes, RE7 and what I've seen of RE8, I think it's important to remember where these games started. Of course the dialogue is poor and hammy, especially in earlier games, but I think there's a fine line between polishing the voice acting and outright removing the kind of accidental comic appeal that the earlier games had.
I know exactly what you mean here. Indeed, the accidental cheesiness added to the 'charm' of it, but for me, I loved RE despite this, not because of it. It was this cheesiness that stopped me from truly taking it seriously like other story-driven games I adore, but I always loved the franchise for the potential and also what the earlier games did for videogames in general. Capcom will never forget where the games started, it is as close to their hearts as it is to ours. For example, an achievement in RE7 is called 'The Master of Unlocking', or when choosing the hard mode for Chris' story, 'Not a Hero', the description reads 'Get ready to punch something', so they are always going to acknowledge their cheesy origins, and this is a subtle way I think they can keep elements of the original charm for long-term fans who get the references.

Also, we will always have the original games to go back to, they're not going anywhere, and neither should they. I recently played through RE4 HD, and laughed and cringed throughout, but thoroughly enjoyed my play-through because it's a goofy fun game. But, I can't help imagining how genuinely terrifying that game could be if the tone was serious and atmospheric, and the same goes for all of the older RE games. Now, RE1 is already terrifying as it is, but it could be yet more terrifying, as well as have a compelling story with complex, relatable characters.

I don't like to discount things before I see them in action, but it just seems like it would be a disservice to the OG REs if they were all completely restructured into a dark, totally serious.... thing.
This is just my opinion, but I think it would be a disservice (and a missed opportunity) if they didn't restructure the older games into something that can truly be taken seriously. Video-games are taken much more seriously these days compared to when RE started. Compelling single-player narratives are often so finely written these days that they can be compared to literary novels. RE has always been something of a cliché in the gaming world, and I would love to see it evolve into something powerful that can sit alongside other great single-player games like Last of Us, for example.
 

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But, I can't help imagining how genuinely terrifying that game could be if the tone was serious and atmospheric, and the same goes for all of the older RE games. Now, RE1 is already terrifying as it is, but it could be yet more terrifying, as well as have a compelling story with complex, relatable characters.

To be honest, I can totally see how remaking the newer games (4, 5, 6 notably) with more serious, atmospheric horror would definitely better suit Resident Evil and its roots because once they became more action oriented, they were just like any other shoot'em up game around and really lost, for me, what made them Resident Evil. I don't hate these games, but I think if any of them need better atmospheric tweaking, it's definitely these. But I definitely see what your saying.

This is just my opinion, but I think it would be a disservice (and a missed opportunity) if they didn't restructure the older games into something that can truly be taken seriously.

See, I disagree. I think the earlier games were taken seriously in a bigger picture sort of way, because they played a big part in the birth of Survival Horror as a genre. The dialogue was bad, yea. But the characters were memorable, the locations certainly so. I could say the same about the music as well. I take them seriously, I get great enjoyment out of them and to be honest I prefer the OG RE2 far more than the remake - there really is no comparison in my opinion. That being said, I think one of the things that made REmake2 great is that it approached the source material with respect. The same can definitely be said about REmake. I don't honestly believe that the initial viewpoint when making these was, How can we turn [Resident Evil 2] into a respectable game?

This is just something I must agree to disagree on. I don't think completely restructuring the original games is needed to have them be taken seriously. If the remakes of said games are taken seriously, ok, the remakes are taken seriously. It does nothing to change the original games themselves, or their reception. I also think, for the most part, no remake they end up doing is actually going to be better than the source material. (There are always exceptions, but for example with remakes of OGs or remakes of remakes of OGs.)
 

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That being said, I think one of the things that made REmake2 great is that it approached the source material with respect. The same can definitely be said about REmake. I don't honestly believe that the initial viewpoint when making these was, How can we turn [Resident Evil 2] into a respectable game?
I actually agree here. I view video-games as comics are viewed. For example, when Alan Moore came along and took over Swamp Thing, and wanted it to be a serious and meaningful thing, he did it in such a clever way by fully respecting what had come before, which managed to keep older fans happy, while exciting interest among people who may have had no exposure to comics before. The same is true of Frank Miller's re-imagining of Batman.

RE2 remake felt like a serious game with very memorable and heartbreaking scenes that were fantastically executed. For example, the father and his turning daughter, or the more in-depth focus on Sherry and her struggles. The only thing that really bothered me is this: if they were going for realism, then why was Ada wearing sunglasses in the dark? :p

But anyway, off-topic. If they remade RE1 in a similar fashion, I would be very happy (I'd also love a first-person RE1, but that's just me). I want RE4 and Code Veronica first though, and I'm extremely excited for Village. I'm also very excited to see how they introduce Wesker in this softly-rebooted universe. :)
 

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Oh, definitely. I want to see CVX remade more than any of them and this point and my thought on 4 are basically I didn't like the original so it can only get better lol. And yes, like I said I do enjoy first person games a lot (spent a lot of time playing Doom when I was younger and I've enjoyed every iteration of the game this far) and would be open to a 1st person RE1 but I just feel that it needs to be optional because they would be alienating a chunk of fans who have always enjoyed the 3rd person perspective that the games largely maintained before 7 came out.

For example, the father and his turning daughter,

This was Kendo by the way. He was also present in the original RE2 where he got even less screen time lol. Yea, it was awesome that they fleshed out Kendo more, as well as Annette.
 
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